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Transcript |
Speaker |
| 00:00:00.0 |
How big is your graphic design education on this sheet? What shape, image or symbol is it? We’ll be looking to sketch further within that shape later. |
IJS |
| 00:00:15.0 |
Uh. |
192 |
| 00:00:16.2 |
Shape, symbol or image from your graphic education. |
IJS |
| 00:00:20.4 |
Uh. |
192 |
| 00:00:21.8 |
And what size is it? |
IJS |
| 00:00:23.2 |
I’d say it was… At the moment it just feels like a desert and then there’s the tumbleweed. |
192 |
| 00:00:31.0 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:00:31.5 |
And then that’s about it really, and maybe an old house with nothing in it. [rustling of sheet] And then…so there’s an old house. It’s like in a western town, so you have a little cactus here and then the plain just goes on for hours and hours and then that’s about it with my graphic education at the moment. |
192 |
| 00:00:56.9 |
Okay. Alright. Um. That just… I noticed your finger on it. Just remember it’s very black, very permanent! |
IJS |
| 00:01:03.9 |
Okay, that’s good to know! [laughing] |
192 |
| 00:01:06.5 |
Yeah! So if you’re leaning with it over your clothes, just be aware of that. Um. Wow. That’s a vivid image to start with. So this graphic education… |
IJS |
| 00:01:18.3 |
Mm. |
192 |
| 00:01:19.0 |
…I want us to think about the divisions of it. Now they could be, um, uh, temporal, so it could be time. Uh, it could be conceptual divisions. Um, in skills or something. But for you, if I said, ‘What are the main divisions of your graphics education?’ what would they be and how would you represent them in this scene? |
IJS |
| 00:01:42.0 |
Um. So the first one would be time. |
192 |
| 00:01:45.2 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:01:46.0 |
I just feel like that’s an obvious one and it’s never going away. And it’s not something which time… Because of that as well, it’s time with how much time we spend here. It feels like this is going on forever but we’re not actually here, so I would say that the time just always seems to be there. [sighing] And then… |
192 |
| 00:02:06.1 |
[unclear]? |
IJS |
| 00:02:07.9 |
Yeah, so that’s… |
192 |
| 00:02:08.5 |
[unclear] forever. |
IJS |
| 00:02:09.5 |
There’s…there’s a little sign for you. So that’s always there just sweltering away. |
192 |
| 00:02:14.3 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:02:14.6 |
And then, um, money. There’s a lot of money being spent for what it is. |
192 |
| 00:02:21.9 |
Okay. |
IJS |
| 00:02:22.7 |
Um, so I’d probably do a little, um…maybe a little chest… |
192 |
| 00:02:28.9 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:02:30.0 |
…gold here, hoping to find it underground and… [rustling of sheet] some gold and some… Yeah. And then I think the third area [sighing], I’d say it’s pointless. The whole thing is pointless, like being here. I always wanted to get a degree [sniffing] but it’s really pointless, this one. Well, what I came out with this one. I just feel we’re in the money-machine making pawn. I don’t feel like there’s any real purpose or there’s… You get some good tutors out of all the bad. It’s likek any institution, you get… It’s like the NHS. You get… Any big institution you always get the few minorities and somehow I’ve ended up with all the crap ones. Why, God, why? But yeah, mostly I would say there’s only been, like, part once in the second year, this whole segment of the second year, that I actually enjoyed it and I felt like I was doing something worthwhile. The rest has just been like I might as well have just done it online or handed it inline with this name. I mean, I think, um…it’s either that or I’d do a little shotgun. |
192 |
| 00:03:55.1 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:03:56.5 |
But I, um… |
192 |
| 00:03:57.6 |
Okay. But you are going into territory here of the next two questions, which the first one is what challenges have you faced? So this is part of the challenge. |
IJS |
| 00:04:10.8 |
Not really. That’s the thing. |
192 |
| 00:04:13.1 |
Ah. |
IJS |
| 00:04:14.0 |
And… |
192 |
| 00:04:16.8 |
So you were talking about a shotgun first of all. |
IJS |
| 00:04:18.6 |
Yeah, ’cause it was just easier to render it right now, that’s what I would say, thinking of. Um, and to be fair, the only time I really enjoyed it was I went and did a year out in industry. |
192 |
| 00:04:29.2 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:04:30.0 |
And, um, let’s put a shock on here. [rustling of sheet] [muttering] |
192 |
| 00:04:48.1 |
Who’s holding the gun and who are the bullets aimed at? |
IJS |
| 00:04:57.4 |
It’s probably myself doing it to myself ’cause it’s just easier to do. |
192 |
| 00:05:00.9 |
Right. |
IJS |
| 00:05:01.7 |
Um. I…I…it’s quite a morbid conversation this is, but I just don’t…I… From what I’m paying and for what I’m getting out of it, it’s…it’s completely two different things and…I mean, the tutors I find there’s a few good ones but the rest always kind of seem like they’re… I don’t know how to describe it but they always… I never felt… They all know my name, which is great, you know, I obviously have a good impression on them and what-not, but there’s only a few…small amount of them that’ll ask how you are every day. I mean, some are really like… There’s one woman – I obviously won’t mention her name – and she just seems like, ‘Alright, see you next Tuesday,’ to be fair. Every time I try and talk to her or when she’s got an idea… And everything’s conceptual. Everything’s conceptual, which drives me up the wall. Nothing’s just, ‘We’re going to do this because of this,’ and everything has so much long period of time, which I mentioned before, that you spend hours and hours on it or…or days, and you either do one of the two things. You either don’t do it for months and then it’s about a week before handing, you’re like, ‘Oh shit, I must do something soon,’ or you do something and you go into the creates and everything and then you tear it to pieces, the original idea, which was actually pretty decent. Tear it to pieces, you come up with something else and [beeping sound], yeah, they, they obviously don’t like it or they’re, they’re not a fan of it and I think that’s probably one thing that does kind of annoy me with this place. |
192 |
| 00:06:39.5 |
Okay. What image is that? |
IJS |
| 00:06:42.3 |
This one here? |
192 |
| 00:06:43.8 |
No. This… |
IJS |
| 00:06:46.5 |
That’s about… Um. I would say…it’s like a haze. It’s just a haze for me. |
192 |
| 00:06:59.7 |
Okay. |
IJS |
| 00:07:00.2 |
I think it’s just a haze. |
192 |
| 00:07:01.9 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:07:02.2 |
Um. So I don’t know how I would draw a haze. I suppose it’s sort of like…I suppose it’s more this fog over there, so it’s just like [rustling of sheet], um, uh…I think I will do this. [rustling of sheet] I think just a map but, uh, [rustling of sheet] but with no direction or where it’s going and just, it… I suppose yeah, it’s a bit of being lost in an institution and I always just feel like its name carries it more than what it actually is… |
192 |
| 00:07:41.6 |
Okay. |
IJS |
| 00:07:42.2 |
…so I suppose with that I’d have like a… I’d have a…maybe a hand holding you? With a…a name. So [rustling of sheet]… |
192 |
| 00:07:59.1 |
I think there’s powerful phrases as well that you talk about with your education. Um. These words on this as well but ‘lost in institution’ seems to be a quite powerful phrase. |
IJS |
| 00:08:13.0 |
[rustling of sheet] I think, um, yeah. I’ll definitely write that. [rustling of sheet] Um. I think as well… I don’t know. I just don’t…I just don’t enjoy it. I don’t know. That’s one thing I just know about this, this whole experience. Not so much London. I love London, don’t get me wrong. Um. And I love everything about my independence and being here and I don’t want to go back to… I originally come from the countryside… |
192 |
| 00:08:52.0 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:08:53.2 |
…and I don’t want to go back there anytime soon. |
192 |
| 00:08:54.7 |
Mm. |
IJS |
| 00:08:55.2 |
It’s beautiful but you are trapped if you haven’t got cars and stuff like that. |
192 |
| 00:08:58.8 |
Mm. |
IJS |
| 00:08:59.4 |
So I love the independence of here but in the form of, uh, the institution itself and the university, I just feel like it’s been a whole… And I never feel like we’re ever doing anything worthwhile. |
192 |
| 00:09:18.3 |
Mm. |
IJS |
| 00:09:19.0 |
We’re not… It’s always crap that comes out and it’s always conceptual ideas which drive me insane. I think I remember there was this one project where you had to work in a group and it was for green energy, so I think I always remember this. [rustling of sheet] And then, um, [rustling of sheet] that’s a wind turbine on a hill. And then, um, I’ll always remember this. And every idea, unless it was really conceptual and it was so ground-breaking, it was kind of knocked back by the tutor and it used to drive me insane because of the fact that I was thinking…I thought, ‘Well we don’t have the resources, we don’t exactly have labs downstairs to go and turn plastic into gold, so what are we supposed to do?’ and it kind of just felt like the ideas that came out of it wasn’t for everyone. I never really saw major ones that I thought, ‘Oh, that’s impressive.’ There were some that were just pointing out what the problem was. There was no solution. But then they passed because… And it almost represented who you had as a tutor and that’s what really drove me up the wall. It wasn’t based on the marking system itself. If the tutor didn’t like it (or tutors) then it wouldn’t have gone through. It was just like an idea that it would be pushed back and I think for this one I’m going to draw a little, like, bulldozer. |
192 |
| 00:10:45.9 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:10:47.4 |
[rustling of sheet] [mumbling] |
192 |
| 00:11:01.4 |
But this represents tutor? |
IJS |
| 00:11:03.8 |
Yeah. So… And then I think that’s… And then the windmill I suppose represents ideas. I think this is what I found just generally anyway. |
192 |
| 00:11:11.8 |
[unclear] |
IJS |
| 00:11:15.3 |
[rustling of sheet] And also I just don’t feel like the course that it is, um… It’s not doing anything that’s ground-breaking. Like, I think just in general with what the course is and in all of them, arts, you know they’re great and it’s great but it’s not going to save my life if ebola comes to London. It’s a bit like… |
192 |
| 00:11:47.6 |
Mm. |
IJS |
| 00:11:48.2 |
…I should have picked maybe a different degree and a different degree path. And it’s not… [sighing] And I think it’s as well being in industry, uh, for the year, it was so hard to get things. I mean, now it’s okay because I’ve got… Like once you’ve got the first one, they seem to roll in, but again the first one was so hard. And it was so rewarding when it happened but it was a bit like, if I was a scientist, I would have got a job straight away, it would have paid loads and then I would have probably ended up curing something and ‘ta da!’ we’re all saved. |
192 |
| 00:12:17.6 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:12:17.7 |
But at the moment, with the arts, it’s a bit like, ‘So, what are you going to do with that?’ |
192 |
| 00:12:22.2 |
Right. |
IJS |
| 00:12:22.5 |
So… |
192 |
| 00:12:24.2 |
Well, let’s go onto that a little bit then! [laughing] This is the domain of your graphic education. |
IJS |
| 00:12:32.8 |
Yeah. |
192 |
| 00:12:33.7 |
Let’s have a think about wider life. Let’s park professional for the moment. So wider life. When you look ahead – so this could be cultural, family, religion, spiritual, any of those kind of, uh, fields – … |
IJS |
| 00:12:54.3 |
Mm. |
192 |
| 00:12:54.7 |
…uh, when you look ahead at your wider life, excluding your professional life, what do you see? What’s there? |
IJS |
| 00:13:03.2 |
[sighing] I…um… I see several things. Um. [rustling of sheet[ Uh, so I see several things. I see, um, yeah, there’s the family and there’s this white picket fence and all that. So, uh, for that I’ll just draw a house. |
192 |
| 00:13:43.3 |
Is it going? |
IJS |
| 00:13:43.9 |
Yes, it’s alright. No, no, it’s fine. [rustling of sheet] So there’s the house. A London townhouse, maybe. |
192 |
| 00:13:56.3 |
And this is a rented house or a…? |
IJS |
| 00:13:58.2 |
No, bought. You, it’s… |
192 |
| 00:14:02.6 |
[laughing] |
IJS |
| 00:14:02.7 |
If you’ve made it in life, why not buy? This is what I don’t understand, and like, if I could also… And also, to be fair, if you buy a property in London it’s going to be [making exploding noise] the next thing you know, so… |
192 |
| 00:14:12.0 |
So it’s a bought house. |
IJS |
| 00:14:13.3 |
That’s a bought house, so I’ll put a little pounds into there. And then, um, maybe a family? Um. Uh, I probably won’t have children of my own. |
192 |
| 00:14:27.5 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:14:28.3 |
I don’t know. Maybe. |
192 |
| 00:14:30.2 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:14:30.6 |
Um. But I know I’ll have my sister’s children… |
192 |
| 00:14:33.8 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:14:33.9 |
…in my life quite a lot. Um. Maybe marriage to another guy. |
192 |
| 00:14:40.6 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:14:42.2 |
Um. I don’t know about that. I think everything else is kind of materialistic. It’s just… You know, clothes are great and fashion’s great and everything…car’s nice and everything’s…and you can buy nice furniture for the house but… |
192 |
| 00:15:01.1 |
That’s quite significant though, to…for… If not your own then your connection with your sister’s kids. |
IJS |
| 00:15:13.1 |
I think I would like to have had my own but you would have to find the person to do that and, I suppose, in the gay world it’s kind of a lot harder… |
192 |
| 00:15:21.8 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:15:22.9 |
…to find somebody, ‘Cause like… This sounds bad but to have children anyway by itself is [unclear]. You don’t have children to think, ‘Oh, I’m going to repopulate the earth so I must bounce out as many children as possible.’ You have children with another person ’cause you love that person and you’re interested in the idea of what it would look like if you two got together and had a child. And two men can’t do that and two women can’t do that unless you have someone else in the mix and then it’s kind of a complicated scenario. What do you say to the children when they’re old enough to understand all that? And I would like children. I really would. And I’d like twins and I’d like, I don’t know, whatever. But I think it’s… The rest, thought, with… And I know that Fern will end up having children. We’ll probably end up forcing her to have children but… |
192 |
| 00:16:14.7 |
[laughing] |
IJS |
| 00:16:15.7 |
[laughing] Or Mum will. I won’t. I’ll just be like, ‘If you want children, you have children but if you don’t, you don’t.’ But um, I think for me, I think I, um… Yeah, I think family’s a big part of it. |
192 |
| 00:16:33.8 |
Mm. |
IJS |
| 00:16:34.1 |
I know that. The material things, yeah, they’re great and, you know, getting a new iWatch and all that… |
192 |
| 00:16:40.9 |
Mm. |
IJS |
| 00:16:41.2 |
…but everything changes so fast anyway. Um. [pause] Everything changes so fast that it just becomes, like through technology and things like that, you’d always be chasing after that. And it’s not… If it went in a fire… If my house went up in flames – the one at home or in London or what-not – the first thing I’d always worry about is two. Is documentation, so [laughing] I know…so I’m still alive according to the government. |
192 |
| 00:17:14.5 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:17:15.1 |
And the other one is photos, ’cause you can’t ever get them back. And it’s one thing I love taking, and I think it comes from my mother. Um, we’ve been kind of, me and Fern (that’s my sister – there’s several thousand Ferns, but…) [laughing], me and my sister, we’ve all…we’ve been kind of brought up older than we actually are. And I think it’s because when my mother was younger, when she was eighteen, um, her brother died in a car accident. And died and there was… It was a horrible tragedy. Apparently he was only nineteen and…and she had a massive argument with him before and she said… It was about my father actually and her going out with my dad and my dad’s a quieter character than what the men she used to go out with and, um, her and her brother were arguing and she turned around to him and said, ‘Will you just get out of my life?’ and then he actually did. For definite…for indefinite. And I think from that there’s been two things we always got from her was that, uh, to appreciate your brother and sister but [laughing] at first when we were younger we were always forced to play together. |
192 |
| 00:18:33.7 |
Mm. |
IJS |
| 00:18:33.8 |
There was no [unclear]. And then we kind of hated each other at teens and then we’ve kind of grown to a little bit… We’re best friends now. |
192 |
| 00:18:40.7 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:18:41.0 |
Um. And… But I always thing… I was never… I’ve never been scared of the idea of… It’s never scared me off. If it’s time to go, it’s time to go. But as long as I’ve done everything that I’ve wanted to do, I think it’s alright, but it’s the memories that make the place. I think, um, [rustling of sheet] I’m going to draw a little coffin for this, actually. Slowly, but it’s here. [rustling of sheet] And then, um, and then a camera as well. [rustling of sheet] |
192 |
| 00:19:25.8 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:19:27.1 |
Yeah. [rustling of sheet] And then, yeah. I think, uh, yeah. But the rest doesn’t ever really bother me. I don’t really… Yeah, I want things. I’m human. I want the next iPhone and I want the next jumper from Prada and what-not but they’re great but if they went in a fire, I wouldn’t cry. I’d be upset, no doubt. There’s things that mean things to me. Like there’s things that I would never be able to get because they were from an iPad, i.e. the Olympics. I got, like, a T-shirt from when I went to see that and you can never replicate what that T-shirt meant. Whereas just a normal T-shirt doesn’t mean anything to me. So there’s things like that. |
192 |
| 00:20:18.4 |
Yeah. But that’s taken care of… |
192 |
| 00:20:19.6 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:20:20.0 |
…with the camera really, isn’t it? That snap. |
192 |
| 00:20:21.6 |
It’s like memories. So I think that’s one thing I always try to create and…yeah. I love taking photos. That’s one thing. |
192 |
| 00:20:29.2 |
That’s family. |
IJS |
| 00:20:30.0 |
Yeah, that’s family. |
192 |
| 00:20:30.5 |
Memories. |
192 |
| 00:20:32.2 |
I’m going to write that down. [rustling of sheet] Memories. And then, um, I suppose that’s death. Life and death. |
192 |
| 00:20:43.6 |
Uh-huh. |
192 |
| 00:20:44.7 |
In relation to what? |
IJS |
| 00:20:48.6 |
I think, I suppose in meaning that I’d want to do everything before I did ever go and hopefully I wasn’t a massive [unclear] to everyone. So that’s the main thing. |
192 |
| 00:20:59.6 |
Okay. |
IJS |
| 00:21:01.4 |
Um. [rustling of sheet] And also just the reality of life. I think we was always brought up with that. I think we wasn’t hidden away from… |
192 |
| 00:21:09.1 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:21:09.7 |
We wasn’t hidden away from things like death. It was just…it was just there. It wasn’t… My mother wasn’t like, ‘Oh, you shouldn’t go to a funeral. You should be at home.’ She was like, ‘You’re going.’ |
192 |
| 00:21:20.6 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:21:21.5 |
And we… Yeah, we…we…we’ve seen that world and it’s not pretty, of course it’s not – it’s death and everyone’s scared of it. But it doesn’t… We’re not like, they’re like, ‘Oh, I can’t talk about that.’ I think that’s a problem with this society. You can’t talk about things like that. |
192 |
| 00:21:37.1 |
Uh-huh. Okay. This wider life will, perhaps, have a professional life within it somewhere. Uh. I want us to think about the boundaries of that professional life. Where does it fit between these two domains? Or around them? Your professional life. What does it look like? What are its boundaries like on here? Um, would you use a particular image or shape to represent it? |
IJS |
| 00:22:09.0 |
I think I’ll go onto here. So, um, [rustling of sheet] ’cause it’s kind of linking the two so… |
192 |
| 00:22:18.8 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:22:19.1 |
…I’m going to write down. [rustling of sheet] I think from it, I would probably do graphic design for another ten, fifteen years, I think. Uh, I don’t think I’ll stay in the industry forever and a day. |
192 |
| 00:22:35.8 |
Mm. |
IJS |
| 00:22:36.3 |
Unless I get really big and become really famous and blah, blah, blah. |
192 |
| 00:22:40.3 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:22:40.7 |
Or I love what I’m doing and I don’t see… But um, I don’t know. I think me and my sister were on about this the other day and I would love to go into, eventually, politics. I don’t know why. |
192 |
| 00:22:52.5 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:22:53.2 |
Um. I kind of see it as like a timeline. So my graphic design career goes to about here and then it kind of just juts off into something that I don’t know about. |
192 |
| 00:23:03.7 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:23:05.3 |
And…I would like to go into politics. I would like to be Prime Minister, do all that. That’d be quite fun, I thought. Change the world. |
192 |
| 00:23:16.3 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:23:16.4 |
Well, change my idea of what the world should be. But then that might not be perfect so… And you might get hated, which I’m scared to! [laughing] Well it doesn’t scare me but I don’t want anyone, like, to be kidnapped and then killed in Sierra Leone or something like that, so… |
192 |
| 00:23:31.4 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:23:31.7 |
…maybe not. I don’t know! [laughing] Um. |
192 |
| 00:23:35.8 |
But you’ve got a sense that that first bit there is graphic design? |
IJS |
| 00:23:39.8 |
Yeah. I don’t think I’ll be in it forever. I think it might have a relation to what I do… |
192 |
| 00:23:43.8 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:23:44.1 |
…i.e. I might end up owning a company with my sister and it might be something that I know about and if they went, ‘Oh, how do I do this?’ and I could do it or I kind of have an idea of what it wants. |
192 |
| 00:23:54.9 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:23:55.2 |
So I’d draw it up and whatever. But I don’t think I’ll be in it forever and a day during just pure design. I’ve… I think it would actually kill me off more in the end. |
192 |
| 00:24:05.0 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:24:05.3 |
I think, um… Again, I think… I want to earn the money. I’m not going to lie. For a short period of time because the world works on money and if we didn’t have that then the world would probably actually stop spinning. |
192 |
| 00:24:16.9 |
Mm. |
IJS |
| 00:24:17.4 |
But, um, I think the idea of it… Yeah, I’d like to earn money just to get a nice life and… |
192 |
| 00:24:27.0 |
Uh-huh. So do you have a sense of the time of that? |
IJS |
| 00:24:29.9 |
Um. I’d say, um, ten to fifteen, I think. [rustling of sheet] Maybe twenty. |
192 |
| 00:24:36.2 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:24:36.7 |
And then… |
192 |
| 00:24:37.2 |
That’s graphics? |
IJS |
| 00:24:38.3 |
Yeah, graphics here. Just pure graphics. |
192 |
| 00:24:42.3 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:24:43.1 |
In that sense. [rustling of sheet] |
192 |
| 00:24:48.0 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:24:49.4 |
And then, um, and then the unknown, I guess. [rustling of sheet] Um. With that… |
192 |
| 00:24:58.5 |
Yeah. With that, is it scary unknown or is it…? |
IJS |
| 00:25:03.2 |
No, it’s good! |
192 |
| 00:25:03.8 |
Just unknown? |
IJS |
| 00:25:04.3 |
I…I think if you know everything now, you could go through three years of your life and there could be not much change and then you could go through three months and it’d be more of a mental change that happens in your life. So I don’t believe in planning so far ahead in the future, ’cause it’ll never happen. And I used to do that when I was younger. I used to plan and plan, ‘I need to do this, need to do that, by this time next year…’ and now I just kind of thought, ‘Well take it by year at a time. You kind of know what you’re doing.’ And some things obviously do need to be planned ahead and if you’re buying houses and doing all that then you kind of have to do plan ahead, but other than that, I don’t ever feel… I’m not ever scared of the unknown. I think… |
192 |
| 00:25:46.3 |
Okay. |
IJS |
| 00:25:46.8 |
…sometimes… |
192 |
| 00:25:47.4 |
How would you represent this quality of unknown then? |
IJS |
| 00:25:50.2 |
Um. [pause] I think just with a question mark really. |
192 |
| 00:26:00.6 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:26:01.3 |
Because it’s… ‘Cause it might be scary. It might be, when I get there, ’cause I think with age comes, um, scared…you get scared of things faster. But you kind of…you kind of realise your own mortality. |
192 |
| 00:26:12.4 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:26:12.9 |
From what I’ve been told, anyway. Um. [rustling of sheet] So I think from that, I think, ’cause… Yeah. I don’t… I think that’s what I’ve been told anyway. You realise your own mortality and it’s harder to change when you’re older than it is when you’re younger. |
192 |
| 00:26:31.8 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:26:32.6 |
It’s harder to leave somewhere and go somewhere new and leave someone and go somewhere new. I even see it now, to be fair. I have friends in relationships now or friends that were in relationships for long periods of time since high school and things like that, and they found it so hard to break up because it was kind of like, they don’t love each other any more and you can completely see it, and I’m like, ‘Well why are you two together then?’ |
192 |
| 00:26:53.4 |
Mm. |
IJS |
| 00:26:53.5 |
But somehow they’ve just stayed together or they’ve kind of stayed together or they did actually break the ties and leave each other, which is a lot more harder, and it’s kind of like a safety blanket… |
192 |
| 00:27:05.6 |
Mm. |
IJS |
| 00:27:05.9 |
…so for that I’ve drawn a bed. [rustling of sheet] And then I think. And there’s a bed. And then I’ll put ‘safety’ there. And I think the reason why I did the bed is because you’re safer in the bed. I don’t know… |
192 |
| 00:27:28.4 |
Okay. |
IJS |
| 00:27:28.5 |
…why. It’s more come and kill you with the blanket but for some strange reason we all think, ‘Oh, let’s go and lie under the quilt cover.’ So… |
192 |
| 00:27:36.4 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:27:37.0 |
[laughing] That’s what I always think about. |
192 |
| 00:27:38.6 |
Okay. Any, um, sort of overlap or is there a clear boundary between this professional and this other part of life? |
IJS |
| 00:27:47.4 |
No. I think they kind of go together. I think you might not have a success in your career that year but you might personal-wise. I think they kind of balance each other out. I think… I’ve met people who have just had a pure career life and I’ve met people who’ve just been homemakers and neither one of them ever seem happy to me. They always seem like they’re missing one half or the other. |
192 |
| 00:28:11.5 |
Okay. |
IJS |
| 00:28:12.5 |
I think in this world you kind of need to justify why you are in it. |
192 |
| 00:28:16.4 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:28:16.6 |
That sounds really terrible! [laughing] |
192 |
| 00:28:18.4 |
Okay. |
IJS |
| 00:28:19.2 |
Um. Yeah, I think you need to justify why you’re in it and by that, you have to do some kind of work. |
192 |
| 00:28:25.3 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:28:26.2 |
And I think whether it’s cherry picking in the fields outside London or whether it’s you’re…they’re curing cancer, you’re doing something. |
192 |
| 00:28:35.4 |
Uh-huh. Okay. So justification, then. We talk an awful lot, and I think particularly in graphics, industry. |
IJS |
| 00:28:45.8 |
Yeah. |
192 |
| 00:28:46.3 |
Industry. Um. And I want to know, I’ll pose a few questions to you at once before you kind of launch in with your pen. |
IJS |
| 00:28:57.1 |
Okay. |
192 |
| 00:28:57.6 |
And that is, where is relation to this other stuff – you’ve got three domains here (education, professional life, wider life) – where in relation to other stuff is this industry for you? What are the overlaps? Are you inside it, outside it or some how both? Is it constantly changing or fixed? What are the boundaries or edges of this industry? And what’s the name of the industry that you associate with? |
IJS |
| 00:29:33.0 |
[sighing] It’s nothing to do with the education. |
192 |
| 00:29:37.8 |
Right. |
IJS |
| 00:29:37.9 |
I don’t think what the education teaches us now… I might have drawn a massive brick wall, like… |
192 |
| 00:29:42.8 |
Okay. |
IJS |
| 00:29:43.4 |
…just there, like how Israel has done to the Pallestines. [rustling of sheet] So I think… I don’t think this… I’m going to do a brick wall. Or what we would have done to the Scottish if they had voted for independence. So a little checkpoint barrier here with a guy and a guy here and…with a gun. |
192 |
| 00:30:11.1 |
Which side does he belong to, then? The guy with the gun? |
IJS |
| 00:30:14.3 |
Uh, [unclear]. No, he belongs to this side. He’s just making sure that no one… This, it’s just keeping… |
192 |
| 00:30:19.9 |
Just to keep people in more than… |
IJS |
| 00:30:22.0 |
Yeah, I guess so. I think… I like [unclear] and I like the research from it but I think some of it… The education I’ve had from it, a) I’m getting bored with now. I mean, and that’s the problem when you…when you’re our age, you forget about the industry and all that. |
192 |
| 00:30:41.9 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:30:42.5 |
And you…you’re in education for at least, like, the first fifteen, twenty years of your life and that’s a long time. And it gets boring doing the same old thing, being told, ‘Oh, there’s an industry out there.’ I’m like, ‘Yes, I know there’s an industry out there. There’s actually other people that live, you know?’ And yeah. It’s just that it’s kind of like a checkpoint. It doesn’t… It’s not so necessarily… I think the line of it just doesn’t relate to what I experience from industry and what I’ve seen. |
192 |
| 00:31:17.1 |
So that has got an end there. Is that…is that… |
IJS |
| 00:31:20.9 |
Uh… |
192 |
| 00:31:21.4 |
Can you go around it or is it actually…? |
IJS |
| 00:31:22.9 |
I think you can. |
192 |
| 00:31:24.1 |
Right. |
IJS |
| 00:31:24.4 |
I think some people do. I think that’s the thing. I think the majority of people just walk straight into the wall like a fly at a window. |
192 |
| 00:31:30.1 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:31:30.7 |
And, uh, then they jump over and they’re like, ‘Oh, we’ll do this instead,’ and then I think some people do successfully academic work and leave from that and they do stuff with it. |
192 |
| 00:31:43.0 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:31:43.7 |
But I always think it’s more… I never see it as the graphic design industry or the arts industry in general. I just see it more as academic. The word ‘academic’ I always see as maths, science, English. |
192 |
| 00:31:56.2 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:31:56.5 |
History. |
192 |
| 00:31:58.3 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:31:58.6 |
The ones you’d get at Oxford and Cambridge, basically. |
192 |
| 00:32:02.6 |
So what’s the character of this industry then, that’s somewhere here? |
IJS |
| 00:32:08.5 |
Uh, yeah, so it kind of goes here… |
192 |
| 00:32:10.5 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:32:11.6 |
…I’d say. And I would say it’s…um… It’s like a… Uh, it’s like a ship. |
192 |
| 00:32:23.8 |
Okay. |
IJS |
| 00:32:25.2 |
And, uh, you’ll get two types of industry. You’ll get one who… So here’s a ship. [rustling of sheet] |
192 |
| 00:32:31.5 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:32:32.1 |
And here’s the water. And you get two types of the industry. You get one that’s anchored down and they won’t change to do anything. They will just stick with what they know and they’ll get the same old client now and now and again and they’re not so keen on reinventing themselves or they’re used to print, they’re used to… They’re kind of just starting getting used to websites. They’re back down. They don’t really want to… The extreme ideas are too extreme for them and awards – yeah, they would like them but they know they’re probably not going to get them so they’re just more interested in getting clients and their day-to-day business and running the… |
192 |
| 00:33:12.7 |
Okay. |
IJS |
| 00:33:13.0 |
And then I think you get other types who are further out in the ocean… |
192 |
| 00:33:20.4 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:33:20.9 |
… [rustling of sheet] and they’re on like a surfboard. [mumbling] And he’s surfing the waves. And then, um, I think that… And then you’ll get others, I think, that are doing ground-breaking work and are questioning people’s thoughts on certain topics. I think that’s the problem. I think… I couldn’t do just something that was just mind-numbingly, ‘Oh, we’ll stay with the same thing. Oh, you can’t do that because it will offend this person and this person and this person.’ I think if it’s good design it offends half the people because then people actually remember it and, ‘Oh, okay.’ Or, ‘I shouldn’t actually say that word anymore,’ or ‘Oh, maybe I should actually think outside my little area… |
192 |
| 00:34:09.9 |
Mm. |
IJS |
| 00:34:10.5 |
…and think about what’s going on in China,’ and blah, blah. |
192 |
| 00:34:12.7 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:34:13.2 |
So… |
192 |
| 00:34:13.3 |
So let’s name that industry. |
IJS |
| 00:34:16.4 |
Um. |
192 |
| 00:34:16.8 |
What would you name it? |
IJS |
| 00:34:17.4 |
What? Which companies or…? |
192 |
| 00:34:21.1 |
The name of the industry itself. What industry are you in or going to be in? |
IJS |
| 00:34:28.0 |
I think this one’s just, uh, bog-standard graphic design. |
192 |
| 00:34:31.3 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:34:32.4 |
[rustling of sheet] Uh. And then this one here, I think…and this is because I think of the rise of the internet as well… |
192 |
| 00:34:46.8 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:34:47.4 |
…our generation was brought up with it and the ones that are coming up with it have never known any difference. I can still remember the difference where you would actually have to go and look in a book to find something out. |
192 |
| 00:34:57.3 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:34:57.8 |
But I think, um, as I say, this is more experimental. But I…knowing what, I don’t know. So I just… [rustling of sheet] But with that I think comes, uh, anything. Like, ’cause I think, because of the internet, industries are just getting blurred. |
192 |
| 00:35:21.0 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:35:21.5 |
And there’s thicker part… It’s like a colour hue. There’s thicker parts of that industry where it’s bog-standard that part, but then science and arts will link and then maybe history and English will link and they’re kind of all starting to blur together and I think it’s because of the internet and people kind of experiment other passions they like. Whereas before, you would have to go to the library and you’d have to do all this research and… |
192 |
| 00:35:44.6 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:35:44.9 |
…it could take decades. Now I can type into Google and 16,000 books pop up and I’m like, ‘Oh, that one, that one, that one.’ |
192 |
| 00:35:50.8 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:35:51.4 |
There’s like [unclear], he’s like, ‘Have you done all the research?’ I’m like, ‘Yeah, I’ve got all these books here,’ and he’s like, ‘Where…? But they’re all online.’ I’m like, ‘Yeah, but they’re still books. They’re just all online. That’s the difference.’ |
192 |
| 00:36:01.4 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:36:02.7 |
‘Cause the library downstairs is absolutely terrible. |
192 |
| 00:36:05.2 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:36:06.6 |
This book is from the 1990s. It doesn’t even relate to the world anymore. It’s great if you want to reminisce in what the ’90s used to be like but, I mean, this doesn’t help me anymore because it doesn’t even go on about social media, so… |
192 |
| 00:36:21.2 |
Mm. |
IJS |
| 00:36:21.4 |
…that’s great, so… But I think the internet… It’s a thing that’s amazing, in one… It’s got two sides to the internet. I’m going to draw a scale of this. [rustling of sheet] |
192 |
| 00:36:33.3 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:36:33.6 |
And it’s a delicate, really delicate balance. [rustling of sheet] And one…you’ve got one side which is, um, useful, so I’m going to put an i there. |
192 |
| 00:36:46.3 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:36:46.8 |
And then one side which is not, so I’m going to put a cat. |
192 |
| 00:36:51.1 |
Okay, yeah! [laughing] |
IJS |
| 00:36:52.1 |
Because everyone goes on about bloody cats on this! And it defiles the internet. So the internet, I think you’ve got two sides to it. You’ve got the useful and the not-so-useful. |
192 |
| 00:37:02.3 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:37:02.9 |
And then you’ve got a third section which is just pop-up ads and everything else, which is driving me insane. |
192 |
| 00:37:08.6 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:37:09.2 |
I forgot to put the sign there. [rustling of sheet] Um. And yeah, I think the only other problem I find with the internet now is it gives stupid people voices, whereas before they were kind of shut down and the door would be shut and you’d forget about it but because everyone’s behind a screen, they’re like, ‘I can say what I like right now and it doesn’t really affect anyone,’ and you’re like, ‘Just because you’re behind a screen doesn’t mean you can say whatever you want to say.’ |
192 |
| 00:37:37.3 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:37:37.9 |
Um. So I’m going to draw a little man with a screen right now. [rustling of sheet] Desktop and table and then there’s a chair. There’s a man sitting on the chair. And he’s…talking about crap. |
192 |
| 00:38:00.3 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:38:00.9 |
[rustling of sheet] And writing about absolute crap. I mean, [unclear] and that’s one thing I… ‘Cause you wouldn’t go up to a random… If you do, then I suppose more fool you, but you… These people wouldn’t go up to a random stranger in the street and go, ‘You’re an asshole.’ They wouldn’t have the guts to do it. But somehow it gives everyone the guts to do it and it comes out with a whole load of crap on the internet and it’s kind of these… You almost need like just a cleaning service that’s cleaning up the internet and getting rid of all this crap so… That’s what I think, ’cause it does get people to sit there, like going, ‘I hate this video,’ or ‘This is so gay,’ and I’m like, ‘Why is it gay? Just ’cause it’s going on about ebola? How does that relate to anything?’ |
192 |
| 00:38:41.7 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:38:42.0 |
But yeah, I think… |
192 |
| 00:38:45.6 |
Okay. Alright. So it’s…it’s…so is this anchor there for this industry? Graphic design? |
IJS |
| 00:38:52.0 |
Yeah, I think it’s the bog-standard industry print where nothing else… |
192 |
| 00:38:57.9 |
Then there’s this industry which is surfing. Um. |
IJS |
| 00:39:00.8 |
It’s like more experimental. |
192 |
| 00:39:02.4 |
Yeah? And there’s an extreme to all that. [laughing] |
IJS |
| 00:39:05.6 |
Yeah, I think ego… The experimental links with the internet and the rise of that because you critique yourself now. You don’t need… You don’t sit in a classroom and be like, ‘Oh, how do I do this?’ and all that. Now you can just go online and there’s enough videos and there’s enough information [unclear]. I can’t even say the word. [unclear] Oh, forget it! Um. Legitimate sources. |
192 |
| 00:39:35.9 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:39:36.3 |
I’ll say that word instead! |
192 |
| 00:39:37.1 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:39:37.5 |
Legitimate sources, i.e. the BBC and things like that, where they have got factual information, whereas I suppose when the first internet first did start out, I remember people going, ‘You can’t use it. It’s got all wrong information. Do not use this.’ And now it’s not so much that. People are like, ‘Oh yeah, I suppose you can use the internet. I suppose there’s enough out there now to justify using it, so…’. |
192 |
| 00:40:02.5 |
Okay. Alright. That’s kind of the extreme of it. |
IJS |
| 00:40:06.1 |
Yeah. |
192 |
| 00:40:06.4 |
So we’ve got four domains now. |
IJS |
| 00:40:08.5 |
Mm. |
192 |
| 00:40:08.8 |
Your [rustling of sheet] [unclear], really. Education, wider life, professional life… |
IJS |
| 00:40:16.7 |
Yeah. |
192 |
| 00:40:17.1 |
…this thing called industry. And its facets as well. I want you to focus on graphic… [rustling of sheet] this graphic again. |
IJS |
| 00:40:28.2 |
Uh-huh. |
192 |
| 00:40:28.6 |
And the moment you crossed from pre-graphic education to graphic education. Okay? It may not have been a moment but that transition, that threshold into graphic education. What was it like? Is there an image that sums up what it was like? |
IJS |
| 00:40:48.7 |
[rustling of sheet] For me, I actually wanted to go into sciences. I wanted to go into sciences and, uh, at the time I had…my…when I was at school, my dyslexia wasn’t looked after and it was only towards the end that people actually started to take notice of it and doing stuff to GCSEs and blah, blah, blah. But before that, it was just kind of left to do it’s… And the state didn’t have to pay for me until my mother fought, really. That was the thing. But anyway, I wanted to do science. I knew science was a good route to go into and you could get money and there was all that, and you would be actually doing something worthwhile. And then I went to A-Levels and because I… Basically what happened was I did all these GCSEs and I got higher grades, so it basically means that I could do them, but I missed this whole chunk of what the higher students were learning, so everything was…I was behind on everything. |
192 |
| 00:41:48.8 |
Mm. |
IJS |
| 00:41:49.1 |
But from that, I wanted to do that, and my teacher that I had for physics was absolutely terrible, absolutely the worst teacher I have ever had in my entire life. [laughing] Didn’t understand what a word he was going on about. I used to look around and think, ‘This is great, this is a great lesson,’ and I found from him that he basically told me one day – this was, like, just after the January exams – he said, ‘I think you should quit this class because I believe that, uh, you, um…I can’t teach dyslexic children.’ And it was a blow. It was a blow at the time, and I remember then being lost. So I have a thought cloud here [rustling of sheet], within that, ’cause obviously everything that you kind of had planned… |
192 |
| 00:42:36.5 |
Mm. |
IJS |
| 00:42:36.9 |
…for that, it’d just gone. And, uh, [rustling of sheet] and then…puzzled. Um. And so I got told that and I had a tutor and she was a textiles tutor and she was… I had her since I first started high school and she was probably one of the best teachers I ever had. And, uh, she could kind of see I was getting depressed and I kind of… I’m kind of weird. I don’t realise I’m being depressed. I kind of just go through the motions. Not until I look back and I was like, ‘Oh actually I was quite depressed then.’ She turned around to me and she said, ‘I’ve seen…’ I used to do media studies, ’cause I thought, ‘Oh, let’s have something fun in the mix of government, politics, maths and physics, ’cause otherwise I’m going to want to kill myself.’ And I did enjoy arts. And ever since a child, my mother said that I would always sit there watching adverts, reels and reels of adverts. And she said that [unclear] it was absolutely terrible but you’d sit there and you’d eat your dinner if you’d watch these adverts. If it was a TV programme, forget it. You wouldn’t siti there. But adverts, you would sit there just eating because they were short and whatever. And my tutor anyway came up to me and she said, ‘I’ve seen what you did in media studies,’ ’cause you had to build this website, and she said, ‘I think you should do a BTEC,’ and I said, ‘Well what’s that?’ I’d never heard of that and my school was academically focused. It wasn’t art, it wasn’t [unclear]. And they used to say… I used to hang out with the really int-, intelligent… I wasn’t lost in the crowd. I was always known. Would always have my name known and everyone would be… I wasn’t one of them ones where, ‘Who? Who? Who was that? I don’t know.’ Um. And she turned around and said, ‘I think you should do a BTEC.’ And I said, ‘What, at college?’ And she said, ‘Yeah.’ And I said, ‘Well I’m not going to go to Tamworth College, ’cause that was a really bad college.’ And she said, ‘Well why don’t you go further afield?’ and I found one in Birmingham that’s a brilliant college and was the best thing ever, and that’s when I started learning proper, full-on design. And looking back to it, it didn’t really seem like a transition from normal education to that, ’cause I’d kind of done media studies as well so I kind of knew what I was doing… |
192 |
| 00:44:50.2 |
Mm. |
IJS |
| 00:44:50.5 |
…so I was always a bit ahead of the class. |
192 |
| 00:44:52.0 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:44:52.6 |
Which felt great, ’cause when they were still designing crap and the teacher would be like, ‘What the hell did you design here?’ ‘Cause they were a really good school. They won awards, they had a magazine in Birmingham. I got to meet Prince Charles through it. Everything. And then, uh, I think just a little [unclear], I think [rustling of sheet]. And then I need to draw a city, ’cause Birmingham was… |
192 |
| 00:45:17.9 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:45:19.1 |
Birmingham was a city. There’s the Bullring. |
192 |
| 00:45:24.9 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:45:26.3 |
Um. [mumbling] So basically I did the BTEC, ’cause there was a saying in our school – if you wasn’t doing an academic or you got fudged on your GCSEs, you could go to college and it wasn’t really for academic… |
192 |
| 00:45:42.5 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:45:43.2 |
…courses. But you could go to college and people find that… It was okay to mock these people that wasn’t academic and some people are made just to be bricklayers in this world and hairdressers and nail beauticians. But they’re really good at it. But at the time, people would, like, mock you for being stupid. You’d be classed as a stupidity… |
192 |
| 00:46:03.9 |
Mm. |
IJS |
| 00:46:04.3 |
…for doing that kind of course. Uh, but I wasn’t… None of my friends actually didi say anything about what I was doing. I said, ‘I’m going to do graphic design,’ and they said, ‘Oh, okay.’ And I did get a GCSE and I got an A in that and I did okay. I was actually the only one to pass the class, actually. I remember. He wouldn’t put me on a higher tier paper and I had a massive go at him. No, it wasn’t an A, it was a C. He wouldn’t put me on a higher tier paper ’cause he wouldn’t trust… He was like, ‘No, you’re dyslexic, you’re going to fail, blah, blah, blah.’ |
192 |
| 00:46:36.3 |
Mm. |
IJS |
| 00:46:36.8 |
‘So it would be easier…’ Which I don’t understand why. If it’s easier to get a C on a higher tier paper than it is to get it on a lower tier paper, you have… Basically a C’s the highest grade you get, so you’ve got to get all the points. So I was on this lower tier paper, only one to pass the class. Everyone else fails – got under a C, I suppose, which is a pass, so it’s not really… They all got Ds, Es and Fs from this class and I was the only one. And I said, ‘Well you should have put me on a higher tier and I would have got you an A. Because obviously that’s important, relates to the teachers. But then no, I went to college and it was about then and I think that’s when my independence started growing and it wasn’t so much about design itself, it was just like my life, my independence. |
192 |
| 00:47:18.4 |
So that’s…that’s quite a…it’s kind of positive transition then… |
IJS |
| 00:47:23.2 |
Yeah. |
192 |
| 00:47:23.7 |
…into there. What about now? In less than a year, [rustling of sheet] there’s a transition out of here. |
IJS |
| 00:47:31.1 |
Yeah. |
192 |
| 00:47:31.3 |
That was in. There’s a transition out to somewhere there. What’s that going to look like? |
IJS |
| 00:47:42.1 |
I want it… I did retail for seven years so I don’t want to do retail again. I hate that. It’s the worst thing in the world. |
192 |
| 00:47:49.5 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:47:50.7 |
To wake up on a Saturday morning is the worst thing in the world to… It’s probably going to… [laughing] I’m probably going to put it here anyway because [unclear]. [rustling of sheet] |
192 |
| 00:48:01.5 |
Okay. |
IJS |
| 00:48:02.4 |
Um. I think it would be, um… I’d like to find another internship like while I was in university. |
192 |
| 00:48:10.8 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:48:11.5 |
But then I’ve got quite a lot of experience anyway, so I’m quite happy with that. |
192 |
| 00:48:14.5 |
Okay. |
IJS |
| 00:48:15.4 |
Um. So I know as soon as I came back from uni, ’cause I was there for three months, which was absolutely amazing… Um, it… I don’t know. It used to be, ‘I want to stay in London and that’s it.’ And now, after travelling for, like, three months, or not being in uni for three months, working and stuff, I kind of realise I don’t mind where in the world it is, as long as I can have my independence. I don’t want to be in the middle of nowhere again. Um. But as long as I’ve got my own independence, i.e. I would like to go… I wouldn’t mind Australia. |
192 |
| 00:48:48.8 |
Okay. |
IJS |
| 00:48:49.3 |
I wouldn’t mind, um… I’ll draw a world here. [rustling of sheet] Um. I don’t think I’m necessarily… I’m going to do a little plane here. Okay. There’s a plane flying. Yeah. [rustling of sheet] |
192 |
| 00:49:14.0 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:49:15.0 |
Um. Yeah. I don’t know. I don’t necessarily know what. I think if it just…if it…if I enjoy it, I’ll stay in it. |
192 |
| 00:49:23.7 |
So a sense of serendipity, then? |
IJS |
| 00:49:25.3 |
Yeah. I think I’ll just take what I know. |
192 |
| 00:49:27.8 |
Okay. |
IJS |
| 00:49:29.2 |
Carry on. |
192 |
| 00:49:29.8 |
Alright. Given all that, this… |
IJS |
| 00:49:33.4 |
Yeah. |
192 |
| 00:49:34.1 |
…[rustling of sheet] um, what’s the best use of this remaining time in here? |
IJS |
| 00:49:40.4 |
Um. |
192 |
| 00:49:41.5 |
For you. |
IJS |
| 00:49:41.9 |
Probably doing some of the work that you probably wouldn’t get to do in industry ’cause you’d be too busy. And um…you can’t exactly sit there and do your own work ’cause you’ve got work to do so… |
192 |
| 00:49:55.9 |
Mm. |
IJS |
| 00:49:56.6 |
…probably stuff I thought, ‘Oh, that’d be quite good to do,’ and I’ve got an idea for. I’ll probably do that. Um. I don’t know. I don’t really know. I don’t…I don’t feel in the academic mood. I’ve came back from that three months and I thought, ‘I’m going to feel like I want to be here,’ and it’s actually gone even worse. Now I’m just there, flipping out of money and what am I doing? It’s just there, like… And everyone else is doing all this work and I’m just like, ‘Well, I’ll do it later.’ Or I’ve done it as well. Some of the work I’ve already done because, like, everyone else faffs around doing it like as a student. Now I’ve just done it like industry would want it and industry wants it in twenty minute and if it’s a very fast day, they wanted it half an hour ago, when they was giving you the brief. But they realise they can’t do that because they can’t really move my time. So I think it’s just time… |
192 |
| 00:50:51.4 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:50:51.6 |
…here with this one. |
192 |
| 00:50:53.5 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:50:54.4 |
And, uh, also with this one a bit of, uh, just a bit of creativity, so I’ll do a pencil. |
192 |
| 00:51:04.3 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:51:05.7 |
And a paintbrush. And then I think from that as well, um, just other personal life goals ’cause it’s easier to do them when you’ve got all this time at the moment. ‘Cause I’ve got quite a lot of time. |
192 |
| 00:51:22.3 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:51:22.8 |
So again, [unclear] I think. Uh, so I’ll do a little bicycle. [rustling of sheet] And then, um, I think that’s about it really, from that. |
192 |
| 00:51:37.5 |
Okay. Good luck with it in the next year. |
IJS |
| 00:51:40.4 |
Yeah. |
192 |
| 00:51:40.8 |
Thank you very… |
IJS |
