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Speaker |
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How big is your graphic design education? What shape or symbol is it, or image: we’ll look further within it later? So, the size, shape, image of your graphic design education, for you. And where does it belong? |
IJS |
| 00:00:21.9 |
Hmm. [laughing] I guess it started out quite open, so I’m just going to draw… a square with an open bit. |
147 |
| 00:00:35.9 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:00:37.0 |
‘Cause I was kind of more like [rustling of sheet] you know, it seemed a bit more diverse, even when I took a foundation course. |
147 |
| 00:00:45.8 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:00:46.3 |
But now I think I’m a bit more confused about it. [door squeaking] So I’ll draw a little square. [banging] It’s quite closed now, I think.That’s how I see it. |
147 |
| 00:01:00.0 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:01:02.4 |
Huh? |
147 |
| 00:01:04.5 |
It’s also got smaller as well. |
IJS |
| 00:01:06.1 |
Yeah. [laughing] ‘Cause I guess I’m a bit confused as where I fit in the wo- in the design world. |
147 |
| 00:01:14.5 |
Okay. |
IJS |
| 00:01:15.4 |
Yeah. |
147 |
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Alright. We’ll talk about that more later as well. Yeah? |
IJS |
| 00:01:21.1 |
Yeah. |
147 |
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So your graphics education, uh, is a transformation from that to that. |
IJS |
| 00:01:28.6 |
Yeah. [laughing] |
147 |
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Uh-huh. Um, so if I said, ‘How would that divided?’ So it could be time, it could be concepts, conceptually, it could be projects or something, but how is a graphic education in your mind? So all the parts of it, what would the elements of it? What are the divisions, what would they be, and how would you mark them on there? |
IJS |
| 00:01:53.8 |
Um, definitely the people. [rustling of sheet] So I’ll just do little…little faces. |
147 |
| 00:02:03.3 |
[long pause, rustling of sheet] Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:02:12.8 |
Touch people I’ve been in contact with, or encountered…would kind of influence that, I think. |
147 |
| 00:02:19.9 |
Yeah. Okay. Um, any other divisions there? |
IJS |
| 00:02:25.8 |
Um, I suppose my skills. I really [rustling of sheet] like, hand-draw – this. |
147 |
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Uh-huh. |
IJS |
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And then…I think I’ve always seen myself as maybe not a graphic designer because of how it’s, [sniffling] how graphic design now has changed into, like, computers and stuff. |
147 |
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Uh-huh. |
IJS |
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[rustling of sheet] So I kind of, I guess I had a sort of thinking, I should be like this here, but [pause, rustling of sheet] I can’t see myself being that type of person. |
147 |
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Right. |
IJS |
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You could be a… |
147 |
| 00:03:12.6 |
Okay. |
IJS |
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…all the time. I know that that’s a tool to that. [sniffling] But I think this is more focused on, definitely. It’s like, you have to, so you work with a computer. That’s… |
147 |
| 00:03:28.1 |
Hmm. |
IJS |
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…why I get the impression anyway, so far. |
147 |
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Okay. [laughing] Alright. Um, so that has introduced a little bit more [unclear-0:03:38.7] challenges you have. |
IJS |
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Yeah. |
147 |
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That sounds like one of them. |
IJS |
| 00:03:45.0 |
Yeah. Uh, it’s not so much the, like I can use a computer for it, like, alright. |
147 |
| 00:03:50.1 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
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But it doesn’t inspire me at… |
147 |
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Uh-huh. |
IJS |
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…all. I just feel like…I suppose anyone can use a computer, learn to use a computer [unclear] |
147 |
| 00:04:01.0 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
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But I think it’s all about what’s…what’s in your brain, I guess. |
147 |
| 00:04:08.2 |
Hmm. Uh-huh. Okay. |
IJS |
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I think that’s the most important thing, but people don’t seem to think that that’s the most important thing. |
147 |
| 00:04:19.1 |
Right. How do you mark that with the actual narrative you’re saying on there? That it’s not so much that, and it is that. |
IJS |
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Um…I guess this is pretty much… |
147 |
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Uh-huh. |
IJS |
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…an important… Under the whole graphic design thing, this is what [sniffling] needs to be focused on. Kind of like [pause, rustling of sheet] I’ll go with the under the… |
147 |
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Uh-huh. |
IJS |
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…rainbow. [sniffling, pause, shuffling of sheet] This is the thing that’s the most exciting thing. |
147 |
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Yeah. |
IJS |
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[unclear] |
147 |
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So that’s concept, idea? |
IJS |
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Yeah. |
147 |
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That’s the… |
IJS |
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Yeah. |
147 |
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…realm. Okay. Uh, that’s the… any other challenges for you in, in graphic education. |
IJS |
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Um, I guess my confidence. That all stems from what I’ve known or seen so far about the computer. |
147 |
| 00:05:42.1 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
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It’s kind of closed me off a little bit, I guess. |
147 |
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Hmm. |
IJS |
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Almost like I’m trapped in being; thinking outside of this one thing. |
147 |
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Hmm. |
IJS |
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Even though it should be what sets me apart. |
147 |
| 00:06:04.7 |
Uh-huh. Is that a cage? |
IJS |
| 00:06:07.4 |
Yeah. A cage. |
147 |
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Okay. Those are challenges. Any particular highlights for you, as graphic education. |
IJS |
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Um…I know out of my class, there’s only a number of us that can actually draw well. I guess that’s…I’m definitely a lot more competent in my drawing skills, which I know can set me apart. |
147 |
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Hmm. |
IJS |
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It’s just having the confidence to go ahead and do it. |
147 |
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Hmm. |
IJS |
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And that’s what I enjoy most… |
147 |
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Uh-huh. |
IJS |
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…is getting across ideas through my ability to be able to draw. |
147 |
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Yeah. So it’s getting across. So this is the first [unclear]. |
IJS |
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Yeah. |
147 |
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Okay. Good. [rustling of sheet] The people again? |
IJS |
| 00:07:22.1 |
Yeah. [laughing] |
147 |
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Uh-huh. |
IJS |
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[unclear] Yeah. |
147 |
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Alright. Graphics. Graphic education. Okay. Um, let’s have the graphic education um…got um, a life ahead of you. Um, s- and I want us to think um, a little bit wider than your profession. So we’ll come back to the profession later. |
IJS |
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Okay. |
147 |
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But thinking wider, about other hopes and aspirations, personal, spiritual, cultural, creative, family, those kind of things. Um, when you look at it, do you see anything in that area? |
IJS |
| 00:08:14.2 |
Um, n- this isn’t to do with graphics now. |
147 |
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No. This is a wider life, not even to do with the profession. |
IJS |
| 00:08:24.1 |
Hmm, I guess I would be surrounded by lots of happy people. |
147 |
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Okay. |
IJS |
| 00:08:31.6 |
[sniffling] Um [pause, rustling of sheet] I guess just surrounded by loads of people that are happy, and excited, and motivated. [pause, rustling of sheet] I want to be able to like, inspire people as well. |
147 |
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Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:09:07.7 |
[unclear-0:09:07.8] [pause, sniffling, rustling of sheet] |
147 |
| 00:09:15.0 |
So is there an implication in that then, that um, if you come across somebody that’s not that, you would like to transform them to that? |
IJS |
| 00:09:24.5 |
Yeah. Definitely. So maybe like, if someone’s [pause, rustling of sheet] like, under a cloud. |
147 |
| 00:09:33.1 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:09:33.8 |
[pause, rustling of sheet] I’d be able to like, bring them over…to the light. Yeah, so this is like, the good side. |
147 |
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Uh-huh. [rustling of sheet, banging] Yeah, good. Okay. That’s sort of um, wide ambition there. Uh, let’s focus in on this, profession. Your profession, in your view right now, your standards. What does it look like? What the boundaries of it, in relation to your life, and in relation to your education? What are the boundaries of this profession? Is there a certain image that this profession’s got for you? |
IJS |
| 00:10:33.3 |
It’s definitely not like, working in an office. |
147 |
| 00:10:37.2 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
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I’d hate to be just stuck in my little office cubicle, [rustling of sheet] not being able to like, see anyone, or just being stuck in this like…horrible place. |
147 |
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Uh-huh. |
IJS |
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I want it to be like, somewhere that’s really open, and just exciting, and…nothing that confines you too much. |
147 |
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Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:11:08.5 |
So just, then you could literally do whatever you wanted, and it’d be fine. [rustling of sheet] Like this massive explosion, excitement and… |
147 |
| 00:11:21.3 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:11:22.6 |
…enthusiasm. |
147 |
| 00:11:23.6 |
Yeah. Feel free to write [unclear]. |
IJS |
| 00:11:29.9 |
Okay. [sniffling, pause, rustling of sheet] |
147 |
| 00:11:54.2 |
Uh-huh. And not this cubicle there. |
IJS |
| 00:12:00.1 |
Yeah. Um. [pause, rustling of sheet] Hmm. [pause] Yeah. |
147 |
| 00:12:20.4 |
Hmm. |
IJS |
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I guess that’s…. |
147 |
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Hmm. Uh-huh. Good. So profession, so that kind of takes care of the feeling of profession. Maybe even place, ‘cause it’s not the cubicle. |
IJS |
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Hmm. |
147 |
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Um, what kind of, is there anything um, image-wise, in terms of the activity you’ll be doing there? |
IJS |
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[sniffling] I can imagine it being a place where you could like, draw on walls, and… |
147 |
| 00:12:56.1 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
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…like, all the walls, are like, just covered in people’s creativity. Like, typography and illustrations and things. |
147 |
| 00:13:05.6 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:13:06.5 |
And that would be really cool. And everyone is there helping each other. Like, bouncing off each other. |
147 |
| 00:13:15.2 |
Uh-huh. [pause, rustling of sheet] So there’s this creative community there you’re talking about. |
IJS |
| 00:13:24.7 |
Yeah. Definitely. |
147 |
| 00:13:25.9 |
Okay. |
IJS |
| 00:13:26.2 |
[unclear-0:13:26.2] [pause, rustling of sheet] |
147 |
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Okay, alright. So this is um, in the main at the moment, got of this graphics education. Um, we’re going to come back to this, uh, how this relates to this. |
IJS |
| 00:13:55.1 |
Uh-huh. |
147 |
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Um, wider aspirations, and then your professional aspirations. We hear so much, particularly maybe in graphics industry… |
IJS |
| 00:14:04.9 |
Hmm. |
147 |
| 00:14:05.5 |
…that industry. |
IJS |
| 00:14:06.8 |
Yeah. |
147 |
| 00:14:07.5 |
Okay? I’ll just focus on that, in terms of um, there’s this fourth domain, and it’s [squeaking door] the industry. When you think of the industry in terms of this here, what shape is it, and what size is it? What name is it, the name of this industry? Okay? |
IJS |
| 00:14:29.6 |
Okay. |
147 |
| 00:14:30.2 |
And what are its boundaries and borders like? |
IJS |
| 00:14:33.8 |
I guess what I’m picturing of the industry is being like, one of [pause, rustling of sheet]… like in this massive design company, and you’re just one designer amongst, I don’t know, loads of others, but in a way that no one knows your name, no one know anyone else, no one knows what projects you’re doing. You’re just given this brief. |
147 |
| 00:15:02.3 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:15:03.4 |
[pause, rustling of sheet] And expected to… accept. |
147 |
| 00:15:11.1 |
So that’s what industry sums up for you? |
IJS |
| 00:15:16.6 |
That’s what I’m picturing. |
147 |
| 00:15:19.2 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:15:19.8 |
When I see industry. |
147 |
| 00:15:21.4 |
Yeah. What’s that called, this industry? |
IJS |
| 00:15:24.1 |
[squeaking door] Hmm. |
147 |
| 00:15:29.9 |
This industry you might end up in? |
IJS |
| 00:15:32.3 |
That’s just dull to me. |
147 |
| 00:15:39.1 |
Uh-huh. Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:15:41.0 |
Yes. |
147 |
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Alright. There’s a… The dull industry. |
IJS |
| 00:15:47.2 |
Yeah. |
147 |
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Just name it. |
IJS |
| 00:15:49.7 |
[pause, rustling of sheet] Which isn’t what graphics is at all. |
147 |
| 00:16:11.4 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:16:12.2 |
I just don’t know where I come in. I guess I haven’t been shown, really, or seen, the right type of… |
147 |
| 00:16:21.2 |
Hmm. |
IJS |
| 00:16:21.9 |
…industry. |
147 |
| 00:16:22.9 |
Okay. So. Is there an alternate version of this? Is that the alternate version? |
IJS |
| 00:16:32.4 |
Is that… |
147 |
| 00:16:33.2 |
Your profession, yeah? |
IJS |
| 00:16:34.5 |
Yeah. |
147 |
| 00:16:36.3 |
‘Cause at the moment, that puts you firmly outside this industry. |
IJS |
| 00:16:42.5 |
Yeah. |
147 |
| 00:16:43.1 |
Doesn’t it? |
IJS |
| 00:16:43.6 |
Yeah. |
147 |
| 00:16:44.3 |
Uh-huh. Um, so does that mean you do not wish to enter this industry? |
IJS |
| 00:16:49.8 |
Yeah. |
147 |
| 00:16:51.1 |
Okay. |
IJS |
| 00:16:52.8 |
Which is what I see for that. That’s all I see, yeah. |
147 |
| 00:16:58.7 |
That. |
IJS |
| 00:16:59.3 |
Yeah. |
147 |
| 00:17:00.0 |
Right. |
IJS |
| 00:17:00.5 |
It’s literally like… [pause, rustling of sheet] I don’t know where else, I can’t see it yet. |
147 |
| 00:17:14.2 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:17:15.0 |
That’s all I see. |
147 |
| 00:17:18.7 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:17:20.8 |
But I want to expand on it to see like, all those other sectors out there. |
147 |
| 00:17:25.7 |
Hmm. |
IJS |
| 00:17:26.4 |
It’s just finding it. |
147 |
| 00:17:30.0 |
Yeah. So that’s now. |
IJS |
| 00:17:33.2 |
Yeah. |
147 |
| 00:17:33.8 |
That one – this is hopes? |
IJS |
| 00:17:37.1 |
Yeah. |
147 |
| 00:17:38.2 |
Yeah. Well now, it’s a kind of need, is, is it? |
IJS |
| 00:17:43.5 |
Definitely, yeah. |
147 |
| 00:17:44.5 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:17:45.0 |
It’s a frustration, ‘cause I so don’t want to be in that. |
147 |
| 00:17:48.0 |
Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Okay. |
IJS |
| 00:17:51.9 |
Yeah, I need… [pause, banging, rustling of sheet] |
147 |
| 00:18:10.7 |
Yeah. And that, uh, the industry, you’ve drawn that very…probably the thickest lines on the drawing. |
IJS |
| 00:18:22.6 |
Yeah. |
147 |
| 00:18:23.2 |
It’s the densest. |
IJS |
| 00:18:24.3 |
Yeah. |
147 |
| 00:18:24.8 |
The most packed. It’s the most divided. Uh, it’s got the most straight lines… |
IJS |
| 00:18:30.9 |
Uh-huh. |
147 |
| 00:18:31.7 |
…on it. Um, So I’m wondering how… [pause] What do the, the actual edges of the industry feel like to you? I can see there’s a kind of compactness to it, but these really um, thick edges, are they um, is it easy to penetrate this? |
IJS |
| 00:19:02.6 |
I think it is once you know how. |
147 |
| 00:19:05.9 |
Okay. |
IJS |
| 00:19:06.5 |
I think there is like, this tiny little gap where some can get out and then experience this. |
147 |
| 00:19:14.7 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:19:15.3 |
It’s like the road to…uh… I don’t know… |
147 |
| 00:19:18.9 |
Enlightenment. |
IJS |
| 00:19:20.4 |
Yeah. [laughing] |
147 |
| 00:19:23.3 |
Okay. And I noticed that when you say [unclear-0:19:26.6] for you, you’ve got this industry. But there’s this version of the industry that you want. |
IJS |
| 00:19:31.3 |
Uh-huh. |
147 |
| 00:19:31.9 |
And it points to a big [rustling of sheet] uh, blank area. |
IJS |
| 00:19:38.2 |
Yeah. |
147 |
| 00:19:38.6 |
Here. Uh, is that relevant on this drawing, that this comes out towards a, an area where um, it’s blank? |
IJS |
| 00:19:48.0 |
Yeah. I guess what I can see myself in. I don’t know that exists yet. So maybe that’s something that I need to do when I get out there, just create this environment for everybody to be… |
147 |
| 00:20:03.5 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:20:04.1 |
…be able to be free. ‘Cause that’s what creativity is, like, you should be able to express whatever you want, and kind of not… I know with graphic design, you’ve got to get a message out there. But I think everyone, at the minute, has this, just stuck in this, this is what it should end. |
147 |
| 00:20:25.7 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:20:26.3 |
Like, if you break out of that, it’s like, [unclear-0:20:29.6]. [laughing] |
147 |
| 00:20:31.7 |
Yeah. Yeah. Um, so let’s go back to this point, which was graphic. That was the graphic education, from there to there, wasn’t it? |
IJS |
| 00:20:44.8 |
Yeah. |
147 |
| 00:20:45.2 |
Um, um, so this is your graphic education. That was highlights, that was um, uh, a bit of a challenge for you in it. |
IJS |
| 00:20:56.2 |
Uh-huh. |
147 |
| 00:20:56.6 |
Uh, thinking the… What came before graphic education? Um, and particularly, what was the transition like from whatever there was before, into the…? |
IJS |
| 00:21:12.5 |
Uh, in school, and even before school, I’ve always been, well I was always taught fine art. |
147 |
| 00:21:21.4 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:21:22.4 |
Um, so I guess that’s where the need to be able to express myself came from. |
147 |
| 00:21:26.8 |
Hmm. |
IJS |
| 00:21:27.1 |
But I want to do it so that… I know a lot of fine artists kind of do the messages for themselves, whereas different [unclear – 0:21:38.3]. I choose graphics, just because I want to be able to get that message out to people in a way that they’d understand, but still have that freedom to do it. |
147 |
| 00:21:48.6 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:21:49.6 |
And I guess that’s what I pictured, anyway, before. |
147 |
| 00:21:54.6 |
Okay. But [unclear crosstalk-0:21:55.8] aspiration and hope. |
IJS |
| 00:21:57.3 |
Yeah. |
147 |
| 00:21:58.1 |
There… |
IJS |
| 00:21:58.9 |
Uh-huh. |
147 |
| 00:21:59.5 |
…before it. So when you encountered it, the, the threshold from that to this. What’s, what’s that threshold like, and how would you represent it? |
IJS |
| 00:22:11.0 |
I guess it contained me, which is what I needed, I think. |
147 |
| 00:22:14.5 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:22:15.4 |
But it’s kind of suppressed me as well. So I… This was, this is my foundation. |
147 |
| 00:22:22.2 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:22:23.1 |
I still had that freedom to be able to like, express myself… |
147 |
| 00:22:27.8 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:22:28.5 |
…out of this, even though I still…not confined, but just…helped a little bit. |
147 |
| 00:22:37.1 |
Hmm. |
IJS |
| 00:22:37.6 |
Whereas now, [sniffling] I guess this is me being stuck in here. I think it’s… |
147 |
| 00:22:47.1 |
[unclear-0:22:48.9] too. |
IJS |
| 00:22:49.9 |
Yeah. It’s kind of, it’s crushed me., I guess. |
147 |
| 00:22:53.2 |
Okay. So that’s quite a small place to be. |
IJS |
| 00:22:58.2 |
Hmm. |
147 |
| 00:22:58.8 |
That’s got some…might even be thicker than your industry [unclear crosstalk]. |
IJS |
| 00:23:04.0 |
Yeah. Yeah. [laughing] |
147 |
| 00:23:05.2 |
Um, but you will be [unclear]. |
IJS |
| 00:23:13.6 |
Yeah. |
147 |
| 00:23:14.5 |
And to be exiting from that into this, and maybe more particularly, into this profession. |
IJS |
| 00:23:22.5 |
Hmm. |
147 |
| 00:23:23.4 |
So what is the exit from that, and the entrance of that? What’s [unclear-0:23:29.3] of that for you? |
IJS |
| 00:23:31.9 |
It’s definitely in my confidence. |
147 |
| 00:23:38.5 |
Hmm. |
IJS |
| 00:23:39.0 |
Hundred percent. |
147 |
| 00:23:39.8 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:23:40.7 |
Um…I guess I care too much about what people…think. |
147 |
| 00:23:50.2 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:23:51.1 |
Which I think is what holds me back. |
147 |
| 00:23:54.8 |
Uh-huh. So what is that transition from here to…one of your scenarios? |
IJS |
| 00:24:04.6 |
Um… |
147 |
| 00:24:06.2 |
[unclear]. |
IJS |
| 00:24:11.7 |
[pause] I guess just doing…as much of what I enjoy, to prove to people that…I’m good at what I do… |
147 |
| 00:24:31.6 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:24:31.8 |
…I guess. |
147 |
| 00:24:32.1 |
But what do you see now…of the step from there to there? From, from, from the end of this cross into profession. Is that…is there something there? Or is that a blank area? |
IJS |
| 00:24:49.8 |
It’s a blank area right now… |
147 |
| 00:24:52.0 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:24:52.5 |
…I think. |
147 |
| 00:24:52.6 |
[unclear-0:24:53.4] like, from there to there is…blank. |
IJS |
| 00:24:59.3 |
Hmm. [pause] Kind of like a deflated balloon. |
147 |
| 00:25:09.3 |
Okay. |
IJS |
| 00:25:10.2 |
And as soon as I know, will have the courage to [unclear] start to inflate and flew off. |
147 |
| 00:25:16.2 |
Right. It’s not a popped balloon. |
IJS |
| 00:25:18.4 |
No. |
147 |
| 00:25:19.0 |
No? Just deflated. |
IJS |
| 00:25:21.3 |
Yeah. |
147 |
| 00:25:21.6 |
Okay. |
IJS |
| 00:25:23.1 |
[unclear-0:25:24.9] [laughing, sniffling] |
147 |
| 00:25:29.0 |
So the uh, like, [unclear]. |
IJS |
| 00:25:31.3 |
Yeah, that kind of…yeah. So…I guess just [unclear]. |
147 |
| 00:25:38.1 |
[long pause, rustling of sheet] Okay. And that’s a change, from there to there. |
IJS |
| 00:26:08.1 |
Yeah. Should I [unclear]? |
147 |
| 00:26:12.5 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:26:13.0 |
Eventually [banging] end up at this. [unclear-0:26:27.2] there. [squeaking door] |
147 |
| 00:26:33.4 |
That’s happy, and even needs to be [unclear-]0:26:36.0] maybe. |
IJS |
| 00:26:38.5 |
[unclear]? |
147 |
| 00:26:39.4 |
With uh, with the string. You’ve drawn a string on it. So it’s so happy and light that it needs… |
IJS |
| 00:26:49.8 |
Hmm. |
147 |
| 00:26:52.6 |
…a string. Or what’s this? What does the string represent? |
IJS |
| 00:26:56.0 |
I guess it is like confinement. That…sometimes you need to bring it down… |
147 |
| 00:27:04.3 |
Right. |
IJS |
| 00:27:05.0 |
…if it’s floating off too far. |
147 |
| 00:27:06.1 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:27:07.0 |
You can grab it, and just control it a little bit. |
147 |
| 00:27:08.9 |
Yeah, yeah. So I ask, so for you, that string um, for you it’s just the sense of the…somebody needs to be able to control it. |
IJS |
| 00:27:20.3 |
Yeah. [laughing] Yeah. |
147 |
| 00:27:22.8 |
Okay. Yeah. Okay. Um, [squeaking door] so there’s a year left until that point…ish. Um, at this…di…um, deflated balloon. In the next year, what can you do, and what’s the best, very best use of your time in the next year? |
IJS |
| 00:27:50.5 |
[sniffling] Um…just constantly doing what I’m good at. |
147 |
| 00:28:02.0 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:28:02.7 |
And showing people… ‘Cause I guess what I’ve always done is, when, if someone said [unclear-0:28:08.0] different. They kind of put their nose up to it. It put me off. |
147 |
| 00:28:11.9 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:28:12.4 |
So I just stopped. |
147 |
| 00:28:13.3 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:28:13.7 |
Whereas I need to like push through that, show them actually [unclear-0:28:17.5] can do it. |
147 |
| 00:28:19.1 |
So that’s standing by your work? |
IJS |
| 00:28:21.7 |
Yeah. |
147 |
| 00:28:22.1 |
Standing by your skills, but… |
IJS |
| 00:28:23.9 |
Uh-huh. |
147 |
| 00:28:23.9 |
…standing by your work. |
IJS |
| 00:28:25.3 |
Yeah. |
147 |
| 00:28:25.6 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:28:25.9 |
I guess it’s kind of like…being powerful… |
147 |
| 00:28:31.5 |
Hmm. |
IJS |
| 00:28:32.4 |
…to what I know I can do. |
147 |
| 00:28:34.5 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:28:35.6 |
So [unclear]. |
147 |
| 00:28:37.4 |
[long pause, rustling of sheet. Yeah. Good. So being powerful, and it’s also something that kind of grates against education [unclear-0:29:04.7]. I don’t know what you were talking… I was ignoring some voices. |
IJS |
| 00:29:10.1 |
Hmm. |
147 |
| 00:29:11.1 |
Is that right? You need to actually ignore some. |
IJS |
| 00:29:15.6 |
Yeah. Yeah, definitely. |
147 |
| 00:29:17.6 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:29:18.2 |
‘Cause I…I think I am quite sensitive to people’s… Not sensitive, but I take everything on board. |
147 |
| 00:29:26.6 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:29:27.2 |
So I guess it’s sometimes hard to like, sift between the good and the bad… |
147 |
| 00:29:32.4 |
Hmm. |
IJS |
| 00:29:33.0 |
…[unclear-0:29:33.4]. |
147 |
| 00:29:34.7 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:29:35.4 |
So yeah, I guess… |
147 |
| 00:29:37.1 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:29:37.6 |
…ignoring some of that. |
147 |
| 00:29:38.7 |
Yeah. ‘Cause it feels so that I’m not ignoring it, ‘cause this is your image, this deflated balloon. |
IJS |
| 00:29:45.2 |
Hmm. |
147 |
| 00:29:45.7 |
It’s all, it, it’s a… It feels as though it’s a inverse [unclear-0:29:52.9]. It’s like putting cold air into it, or… |
IJS |
| 00:29:55.5 |
Yeah. |
147 |
| 00:29:55.5 |
…it’s something that makes it very dense… |
IJS |
| 00:29:57.8 |
Yeah. |
147 |
| 00:29:58.2 |
…and brings it down. Just put that into it, so you just have to stop that. |
IJS |
| 00:30:02.0 |
Hmm. |
147 |
| 00:30:04.0 |
Get into your, into your balloon. |
IJS |
| 00:30:06.9 |
Yeah. |
147 |
| 00:30:07.5 |
Yeah. So what is it? So that’s the kind of thing you’re in again, how a… What is the actual heat, or the helium, or whatever’s going to go into this? What elements are there that actually make it rise? The helium or the heat, whichever it is in the balloon. What does that represent? |
IJS |
| 00:30:28.6 |
Um…being excited by my own work. ‘Cause I’ve alw- I always get really excited by things when they inspire me. But I think my work… Like, I do get excited by it, but not enough to be able to really bring myself out and be proud of what I’ve… |
147 |
| 00:30:52.1 |
Hmm, uh-huh. Okay. So [unclear-0:30:55.5] do that in practical terms in the next year. |
IJS |
| 00:30:58.9 |
Um, just powering through, and not quitting because something or someone put you down. |
147 |
| 00:31:08.2 |
Okay. Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:31:09.2 |
Just literally [unclear]. |
147 |
| 00:31:11.1 |
Right. |
IJS |
| 00:31:12.2 |
This is why, you know, [unclear]. |
147 |
| 00:31:14.8 |
Yeah. [unclear-0:31:15.9] to this. |
IJS |
| 00:31:16.8 |
Yeah. |
147 |
| 00:31:17.2 |
It shows, it looks to me like putting a tattoo with me on it, so. [laughing] Okay, standing by it. |
IJS |
| 00:31:26.1 |
[unclear]. |
IJS |
| 00:31:26.1 |
Yeah. |
147 |
| 00:31:26.4 |
Being proud of me. |
147 |
| 00:31:27.9 |
Yeah. Good. |
IJS |
| 00:31:29.7 |
[unclear-0:31:31.1] [rustling of sheet] |
147 |
| 00:31:40.4 |
Yeah. Great. Thank you. [laughing] Good luck with it. |
IJS |
| 00:31:48.5 |
Thank you. [laughing] |
147 |
| 00:31:50.0 |
[unclear] |
IJS |
