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Speaker |
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How big is your graphic design education and what symbol or shape, image, would you use to represent it? And where would it go on the sheet? |
IJS |
| 00:00:15.0 |
How big is my graphic design… |
132 |
| 00:00:17.1 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
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…education? |
132 |
| 00:00:19.2 |
From here, how big is it? What symbol, shape, image represents it? We’ll look to sketch further within that shape in a minute. |
IJS |
| 00:00:29.0 |
Okay. Well because this is one key element – you said there was going to be … |
132 |
| 00:00:34.4 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
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…I’m not going to…I’m want to start in the middle, but I’m going to start on the side. |
132 |
| 00:00:38.5 |
Right. Why do you want to start in the middle? |
IJS |
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Um. Education kind of seems key to me. And, uh, graphic design education, that…that’s the most important element that I’m taking from this course. |
132 |
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Okay. |
IJS |
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And the creativity, and learning that. I wanted to start in the middle because then I’m used to kind of, like, mind-mapping and brainstorming and usually you start at the centre and you work your way out. |
132 |
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Well if that’s what…if that’s what’s…what… I think you could work with that if that’s what you want to do. Um. So don’t worry too much about… |
IJS |
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Okay. |
132 |
| 00:01:16.5 |
…later. Um. People fill the sheets. [laughing] You’ll still be able to express in some way the other bits. It’s a bit difficult but… |
IJS |
| 00:01:27.7 |
Okay. Just one shape? |
132 |
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One shape, one symbol, one…image that you think comes up for you in relation to… [rustling of sheet] Circle… |
IJS |
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[rustling of sheet]. It’s one big circle. |
132 |
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Is that just you filling it in or is it relevant? |
IJS |
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Oh no, that’s just me filling it in! [laughing] |
132 |
| 00:01:53.0 |
Right! |
IJS |
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So that’s really for [unclear] on there. So it’s one circle… filling it in at the moment. |
132 |
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Right. |
IJS |
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And [rustling of sheet] because if it was an empty circle to me it wouldn’t feel quite right. With a full circle, there’s pieces that can come out of that, sections that can come out for full circle as opposed to an empty circle. |
132 |
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Yeah? At the moment it’s got the, uh, aesthetic of a dark hole. Is that relevant? |
IJS |
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[unclear] |
132 |
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Yeah. [talking to somewhere else who enters the room.] |
IJS |
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[unclear]. [laughing] |
132 |
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[laughing] |
IJS |
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But I think, you know, this one… |
132 |
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Alright, okay, yeah. So, um, onto the divisions of that. How would you represent… In your mind, what are the divisions of your design education? How would you represent that? |
IJS |
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Um. [rustling of sheet] I’d lead out…not a straight line but a curved line. Because there’s nothing in education seems to go in a straight line, not in creativity. |
132 |
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Okay. |
IJS |
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Um, probably with an arc sort of section of the circle. [rustling of sheet] And I’d say… |
132 |
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So what’s that? |
IJS |
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This would be…can I kind of write? |
132 |
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Yes. |
IJS |
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This [sighing] sort of section, and that’s probably about a fifth would be, um, through the strategising, the uh, common sense way of doing it. Methodology… |
132 |
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Uh-huh. |
IJS |
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…I suppose. [rustling of sheet] would be the term. You see… come in here… |
132 |
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So what do you see? So what are these shapes? |
IJS |
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Sections. |
132 |
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Okay. |
IJS |
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Sections of the circle. This is my education. This is a kind of it being broken down. |
132 |
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Yeah. |
IJS |
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But because I would never see anything just as a…a… To me it doesn’t appear as a square. It’s just not a yes/no answer, it’s not completely logical everytime… they do overlap… they do intersect… and that’s why they are almost… teardrop. |
132 |
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Yeah. |
IJS |
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Um. Sections of the circle means that when they go together, if they had been pieced together, they would overlap and there’ll be a piece of methodology that would go with, um… |
132 |
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Almost a camera shutter effect? |
IJS |
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Yes. Um, as well as… [rustling of sheet] And this will be… I’m trying to think of the right word for it. But I’m sort of leading by the least important aspects going into the most important aspects. I think it would be, um, my own kind of professionalism, um… |
132 |
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what do you mean by professionalism, then? |
IJS |
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Uh, turning up on time, making sure you respect the tutors and they respect you [unclear]. And over the last couple of years there have been… I think everybody’s been at loggerheads with certain aspects of the course or certain aspects of tutors. And you just have to try and work and get round that… get over it and make it kind of work for you. Um, there’s also things like encouragement with dissertation. We’re on a design course and we don’t like writing [laughing] and everybody’s finding that very difficult. |
132 |
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Yeah. |
IJS |
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Um. And we just… There’s hoops you have to jump through to get the degree. Um. The most important aspect [rustling of sheets] is quite… to me… the creativity… [rustling of sheet] Creativity, concept, and ideas. |
132 |
| 00:06:36.9 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
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Because without any of those, the next part couldn’t [unclear]. [rustling of sheet] Would be the tools. |
132 |
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Yeah. |
IJS |
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And tools would include the software, sketching, um… Yeah, pretty much that’s… Software and sketching you can use anything to sketch with and to draw and that. It’s obviously vital to learn the tools, but anybody these days can pick-up how to learn PhotoShop. That does not make them a graphic designer. |
132 |
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Uh-huh. |
IJS |
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A lot of what we’re doing…it’s the core concept, it’s the idea that’s behind that, and a good one, then everything’s [unclear] you could go on for a project for months on it, but if it’s a bad idea it’s still going to be… It might… it might look professional, it might be good, but it’s never going to be great. |
132 |
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Yeah. Okay. |
IJS |
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And… [unclear]. |
132 |
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Right, okay. |
IJS |
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But that’s roughly, uh… |
132 |
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Right. |
IJS |
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…oh sorry – that’s a quarter – that’s a third. [rustling of sheet] |
132 |
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So [unclear] is methodology… What does that include? Methodology? |
IJS |
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Um, how you approach, uh, any project now you find that need to…sort of make all these sketches… |
132 |
| 00:08:21.9 |
Right. |
IJS |
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Um. Research. [rustling of sheet] Ideas. Development. Refinement. And production. [rustling of sheet] |
132 |
| 00:08:42.2 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
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But even just doing it like that, being able to stick to, that’s sometimes very hard because you get one idea in your head that you think’s fantastic when you hear a brief for a project. You just want to run with it and you don’t want to take it from a… [unclear] ten times. [unclear]. |
132 |
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Yeah. So that was methodology, smallest section, your professionalism… you’ve got a twelfth |
IJS |
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fifth |
132 |
| 00:09:06.8 |
…yeah. Then, uh, concept on the biggest section. |
IJS |
| 00:09:13.6 |
No, sorry… |
132 |
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Not just yet. The next one is the tools and the biggest section one is creativity, concept, idea? |
IJS |
| 00:09:21.3 |
Yes. |
132 |
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Okay. Great. Okay. That’s how you’ve divided graphic design education. We all, um, have challenges and highlights, so let’s just think about, um, your challenges. What are your challenges within this? What have they been? |
IJS |
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Okay. |
132 |
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And how would you mark them here? |
IJS |
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Personally or…other ones? Just whatever… |
132 |
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Just during this time here. |
IJS |
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Um. [sighing] Do I have to commit things? |
132 |
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You don’t have to. |
IJS |
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[laughing] |
132 |
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No, that’s fine. It’s yours. |
IJS |
| 00:10:00.8 |
I would say challenges…especially personal, um… [rustling of sheet] Something like this. I’m drawing an angry little mean face… |
132 |
| 00:10:17.6 |
Alright. |
IJS |
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…smiley face. And that’s the thing which you’ll hear is, um, [unclear] came anxiety, for me. It’s. A lot of people who don’t understand it, and before I did, I would sort of said… As one of my friends said to me [unclear] passing, ‘Remember you’re a man!] [laughing] Um. |
132 |
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Okay. |
IJS |
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It’s… If it was only that simple. It’s not just…it’s not just something that happens every so often to you or something you can just control or… All you can do is best manage it. Um. And there is no telling when it flairs up, and it is a daily…daily battle, and it is a battle just to keep it at a certain level. Some days it’s okay. And some days are really tough, and you can have a deadline, you’ve got things to do, you…I have to find a way around that. |
132 |
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Yeah. |
IJS |
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So this…this…a reasonable size on there, um, but by no means swamping everything there as well. So it’s…in check. |
132 |
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I would say… Just thinking of how I want to pick something. Um. I suppose the challenge is of, like, wanting to clear the bureaucracy and the hoops you’ve got to jump through, um. |
132 |
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strong image. |
IJS |
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Yeah. They were very, very difficult to get around and I’d probably categorise that… some line, a straight line, a zigzag line and…yeah, curves running round, through too. |
132 |
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Okay. |
IJS |
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I’m just going to write, ‘bureaucracy’. [rustling of sheet] You’ll get the idea from that. Being able to… hoops. Um. It’s a fair size on that as well. Because you have to try and make it work for yourself. |
132 |
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Yeah? |
IJS |
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Even when they…when you don’t like the subject, you don’t like how it’s being taught, you don’t like the brief’s guidelines that are sort of set-out… the previous course into this one, was very much all like that. It really stifled everybody’s creativity. That course taught us tools. This course is teaching me how to be creative, and that. |
132 |
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Okay. Have you had any other challenges in that? In this sphere? |
IJS |
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Um. I suppose I would like… the professionalism could be linked to the sort of linked, you know, to the bureaucracy and hoops. |
132 |
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Uh-huh. |
IJS |
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[rustling of sheet] It’s hard to maintain a level of professionalism sometimes. Especially if you feel very strongly about something. |
132 |
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Uh-huh. |
IJS |
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Uh… So that’s take that arrow… It’s almost pulling both ways – like a tension? |
IJS |
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Yes. [unclear] [laughing] Um. I think I’m doing pretty sketches here… Just think… I’m supposed to be a designers student! Um. The tools is one thing and that’s there’s difficulties for that – I would draw a square box… |
132 |
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Right. That’s… |
IJS |
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And that’s teaching. The programmes that you use are huge. All the Adobe software is massive. And you can’t… You could spend the rest of your life trying to learn. You’ve to look at it as if you’re, if you’re using the program, you’re probably learning something new every day, if you’re using it right. Um. But that’s…that’s not the great challenge. You can do that in your own time. |
132 |
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Uh-huh. |
IJS |
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It is a problem when it comes to production and it does get frustrating. But it’s not… difficult. You can always find… There’s always Youtube videos or tutorials. |
132 |
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Right. Yeah. |
IJS |
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Um. Creativity. These are… [rustling of sheet] these are the [unclear]… the sheet… the sheet has been folded-out in nice even lines almost like a brick! |
132 |
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Right. |
IJS |
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Uh, so this will… for this one… [rustling of sheet] which I’m busily drawing… a small brick wall… [unclear]. [rustling of sheet] Brick wall… and that is black. Because when you get the creativity block. You can spend as long as you like trying to get at the best options – it’s best to go away, and come back… |
132 |
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Right. |
IJS |
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… whether that’s in half an hour or half a day… to that particular project. Unless you’ve got a deadline. that’s just the way it is. But generally if you don’t have time, the best option – always walk away because you can go for a cup of tea and come back and just instantly go: “that’s wrong, that’s wrong, this is what to do”. |
132 |
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Yeah. Good. Good. Alright. Challenges. Any particular highlights within this, this sphere? |
IJS |
| 00:15:45.7 |
Okay. Um. [unclear] the tools. Highlights would be… [rustling of sheet] I’m giving myself a little star as its on a gold sheet. |
132 |
| 00:16:01.8 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
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It’s the golden star. When you’ve had some real challenges with your tools and how to do something, you end up being able to do it, and you produce it well, and you feel like giving yourself a pat on the back. Almost like a primary school teacher giving a gold star. |
132 |
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Mm. |
IJS |
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Uh. For creativity… I’m just trying to think how to represent it. It’s…it’s when you get the idea and you see it through and you get good feedback from tutors and peers. That’s… And you’re happy with it, too, is the most important thing. ‘Cause feedback’s all very well but if you’re happy with it, it’s the best feeling that you’ve actually produced something really good that you would even put in your own house, but you don’t because it would be ostentatious! |
132 |
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[laughing] |
IJS |
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So I’m just trying to think how to represent… |
132 |
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Uh-huh. |
IJS |
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…my sort of…my enjoyment of that. Um. I think I’m just going to go very simple and do a jumping stickman. [rustling of sheet] A big smile on his face because he’s very happy with the idea. |
132 |
| 00:17:08.1 |
Yeah? |
IJS |
| 00:17:21.8 |
Um. Professionalism. I don’t think you ever feel… I don’t sound very professional today. You know, I don’t think we say that to ourselves too much, so the joy’s [unclear]. Um. Again, being able to do… the method… back to the methodology – and sketches, research, ideas. Seeing that through – doing it right, doing it like it was kind of meant to in the first place. If you get the mix of the great idea and, and if the methodology has just naturally worked and it hasn’t had to be forced… |
132 |
| 00:18:13.9 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:18:14.6 |
…um, that is a good sense of satisfaction with those two combined. Um. I’m drawing a line. [rustling of sheet] right over. And an arrow to each. Uh. Yeah, I don’t…I don’t see any point in trying to represent those things, just trying to force that because when those two pick up and everything goes well like that, it’s a better feeling than just getting a creative idea. You know? When you’ve done everything and it’s just fallen into place, it feels like a natural project… it feels like a natural brief and a natural outcome. |
132 |
| 00:18:54.6 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
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…and then you just…you’re fairly happy, and you’re working, kind… you’re not stressing about your work, you know that it’s going well. |
132 |
| 00:19:01.9 |
Yeah. Well what strikes me, the highlights you were talking about, they’re quite internal, aren’t they? Yes – gold star – but you said that you awarded yourself. |
IJS |
| 00:19:13.2 |
Yes. Yes. Most definitely. |
132 |
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Good. Okay. Graphic design education then there. Thinking about, um, coming back to your professional life… |
IJS |
| 00:19:31.4 |
Okay. |
132 |
| 00:19:32.6 |
…um, but thinking a little bit wider in the first place, which is, is there anything on the horizon, anything in life, um, going forward now, um, that, uh, hopes, aspirations, uh, on the personal side? That could be cultural, creative, uh, family, whatever. Is…is there anything that occurs to you at this time or is that a blank? |
IJS |
| 00:20:00.8 |
No. That’s… It’s all reasonable clear. Um. I think I’m going to lose… start an… almost… timeline on the edge here – a joint thing – rather than carry on with that one. Um… |
132 |
| 00:20:13.3 |
So we’re going to come back to professional life. |
IJS |
| 00:20:16.7 |
So it’s professional life and it can be personal as well, yeah? |
132 |
| 00:20:19.8 |
This is your… We’re going to come back to professional, and see where it goes in there. |
IJS |
| 00:20:24.5 |
Come back to… So personal? |
132 |
| 00:20:25.7 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:20:26.3 |
Goals at the moment? Okay. Well personal goals, um… Okay, well seeing as we’re being very personal about this, I’ll be open and honest. Uh. I was due to get married about a month and a half ago and two months’ ago it got called off. |
132 |
| 00:20:41.9 |
Okay. |
IJS |
| 00:20:43.3 |
We’re still together working things through. But obviously a very difficult time, so the goal for me is for that to work out…. a little stick man… a little stick woman… [unclear] a dress on… and top hat. |
132 |
| 00:20:59.4 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:21:00.1 |
[rustling of sheet] Holding hands. |
132 |
| 00:21:06.9 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:21:09.1 |
Um. Discuss things like children. |
132 |
| 00:21:15.0 |
So you’re seeing about professional there and then the…the dreams are, like it’s kind of…um, dream-shaped, whereas this is… |
IJS |
| 00:21:30.0 |
Logical. Square-shaped, logical. There are things here may or may not be able to be achieved. Certainly anybody can go and buy animals, but being able to look after them… |
132 |
| 00:21:40.8 |
[laughing] |
IJS |
| 00:21:41.9 |
…is another aspect, whether you have the time or dedication. Same with being able to trying to follow your hobbies – whether you have the time, the life tools. Again, marrying, having family, that’s… Nobody can judge how that’s going to go. You know? It’s just part of life. This to me, the professionalism, if I work hard and keep at it, that is logical and if I get the breaks and I make the breaks, that can be achieved. That can be a logical step. This is more kind of real hopes. |
132 |
| 00:22:12.8 |
Yeah. And under your image, is it entirely accidental or is it significant, even in retrospect, that the sculpture has ended up near your professional and not on the other side of it? It’s almost as though it’s, um, contained within… |
IJS |
| 00:22:32.1 |
Um… |
132 |
| 00:22:33.4 |
…between personal and professional. |
IJS |
| 00:22:35.8 |
Well there are no accidents! |
132 |
| 00:22:37.8 |
[laughing] |
IJS |
| 00:22:38.1 |
Um. Probably not. An accident really. Um. I suppose in my head, I was thinking very, very personal things… |
132 |
| 00:22:48.2 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:22:48.3 |
…things that mean most to you in your heart… |
132 |
| 00:22:50.5 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:22:51.3 |
…and not your head, well the sculpture does, it’s probably like a little timeline. |
132 |
| 00:22:55.0 |
Mm. |
IJS |
| 00:22:56.0 |
And I’m not sure whether that’s because I was being led…led up to it or whether I was leading myself up to, kind of the timeline… |
132 |
| 00:23:03.2 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:23:03.9 |
…almost. |
132 |
| 00:23:05.0 |
So does it imply that…that…that there’s this sculpture which you kind of, uh, creative, cultural, personal, creative, cultural, um, life, being, um, is squeezed by the…the…what you’ve described as the…the deepest part it – and the professional part? |
IJS |
| 00:23:28.7 |
Uh. I’m not sure if I understand the question correctly but if I do, this will probably be the last thing that I will be able to achieve. |
132 |
| 00:23:36.4 |
Right. |
IJS |
| 00:23:37.2 |
Um. Because the profession and my life, personal and that sort of thing, they will come first. So the sculpture would probably be squeezed out. But it is very…very heavily related to my structure of where I want to go with creativity. Again, it’s just creatively part of everything. |
132 |
| 00:23:59.1 |
Okay. So, um, the domains now are graphic education, personal, professional. I want us to think about… You’ve implied it in there. I’m not sure if you used the words, your ‘industry’. |
IJS |
| 00:24:14.1 |
Okay. |
132 |
| 00:24:14.6 |
Okay? So in terms of this ‘industry’ that we talk about, what shape is the industry? What are its boundaries like? How big is it? Where does it belong on here? And what’s the name of your industry? |
IJS |
| 00:24:34.2 |
Okay. |
132 |
| 00:24:37.0 |
So what’s the character of the industry? |
IJS |
| 00:24:38.9 |
I dunno know… This might be stereotypical – I don’t know. To me, the industry is going to be like a big tornado [rustling of sheet]. And then at the bottom of the [unclear] is going to be some little lines and a little person being spat out. |
132 |
| 00:24:56.0 |
[laughing] Right! |
IJS |
| 00:24:58.4 |
Because I think you can get into it by just [unclear] the top of the tornado, I think along it, some kind of barbed wire. So you go in that way. |
132 |
| 00:25:09.5 |
Okay. |
IJS |
| 00:25:10.2 |
It’s very difficult to get into at a certain level. And when you do get in… I can’t tell – I haven’t been in the industry yet – but I think it could swallow you up. But from what I hear. As in, you can get so involved that it can – might just swallow you up career-wise, and maybe a little bit personal too. |
132 |
| 00:25:36.4 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:25:37.3 |
Um. I think even though it’s supposed to be coming out the end of the recession now, a couple of big sort of publishers, agencies here who shall remain nameless…even very recently they fired thirteen staff or made redundant thirteen staff, um, and I’m not sure how many worked there: maybe 30, 35. It was quite a significant number. But what they are doing is taking on three or four, um, not gap year…uh, work placement year students, and getting the most out of them. Uh. I think that’s not very good ethics, to be quite honest. Money sometimes dictates your ethics, I suppose. It could do. I wouldn’t like to think it would do. |
132 |
| 00:26:25.5 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:26:26.3 |
But as business, nothing’s ever simple. But there’ still quite a lot doing that… can chew you up, spit you out, as in you have been flying, you’ve been there for years, and then one day, and the next you’re gone and a student’s in your place. It…it seems to be a very fickle industry and also with trends, if you’re not on top of them, you’re out and you need to keep on top of the current trends. Even if you don’t use them, but you need to be aware of them. |
132 |
| 00:26:47.7 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:26:48.2 |
[unclear] What does zeitgeist mean? I always forget. |
132 |
| 00:26:54.7 |
Huh? |
IJS |
| 00:26:55.3 |
What does ‘zeitgeist’ mean? |
132 |
| 00:26:56.6 |
Um. In the…something in the air. Um. It’s a…quite current…sense of things. |
IJS |
| 00:27:12.6 |
Okay. |
132 |
| 00:27:13.8 |
A vibe. |
IJS |
| 00:27:15.0 |
[unclear]. |
132 |
| 00:27:15.5 |
Right. |
IJS |
| 00:27:16.3 |
No, I’m not going to change it. I’m just going to call it [unclear]. [rustling of sheet] It must be up for a reason [unclear]. So I don’t really know. I’m going on what I see, going on what I’m told. |
132 |
| 00:27:32.1 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:27:32.4 |
And not through experience. |
132 |
| 00:27:34.0 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:27:34.7 |
And hopefully I’m wrong! [laughing] |
132 |
| 00:27:37.5 |
Right. Okay, good. So in terms of the name of the industry, that’s what comes up to you there? Zeitgiest. |
IJS |
| 00:27:50.5 |
It just… Honestly, it just flashed into the head, really. I didn’t think too much about it. I’m just trying to let it flow. |
132 |
| 00:27:55.4 |
Yeah. Good. So we’ve got the fourth domain there now, which is industry. I notice it’s kind of, uh, in between this education, personal [unclear] on here. |
IJS |
| 00:28:09.3 |
Mm. |
132 |
| 00:28:10.0 |
And professional. Um. I want us to think about transitions. Is it relevant that it is there? ‘Cause that’s a fair bit of… |
IJS |
| 00:28:19.9 |
[laughing] A little bit of [unclear] but on the other side beyond my anxiety we have creativity and we have the joy. |
132 |
| 00:28:28.1 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:28:28.9 |
Um. And as I don’t know it, I don’t think it belongs there, being so close to the…the profession. And some dreams. it’s probably very apt that it goes touching with those. |
132 |
| 00:28:40.1 |
Okay. Yeah. Um. I’d like to think about, um, transitions. Um. That…this graphic design education…what was the transition like from before this graphic education into it and how would you represent it on there? What was the threshold point into this graphic education? |
IJS |
| 00:29:07.2 |
It was [unclear]. |
132 |
| 00:29:09.8 |
What was this threshold like? This crossing over into graphic education. Was it easy? Was it difficult? Did it feel, perilous… |
IJS |
| 00:29:19.6 |
um.. |
132 |
| 00:29:23.6 |
What image would you use for this? |
IJS |
| 00:29:26.7 |
[unclear] Had been used like a [rustling of sheet] massive kind of trumpet. Or horn. Because I feel like I started very, very small so I’ll draw a stick man there. [unclear] I feel like I’ve come out the other side [unclear] like I’ve grown with all the experience that I’ve got. |
132 |
| 00:29:47.8 |
Okay. |
IJS |
| 00:29:48.5 |
Um. And today’s over here. Well, for one, the size because it…it’s quite a significant size on the page. Um. Because it is: I do feel like, wide… about it. You know? Because beforehand, before any of this, I wouldn’t have felt confident enough to even critique a painting… you know… even if it was a friend’s or in a gallery… you now just around…when there’s nobody there to listen. Um. Now I feel confident that not only could I do something like dictating my opinion, it’s valid and it’s informed and…there’s a thing that people say that no work is every done… that every work can be reproduced, um. Just because you can reproduce it, doesn’t mean necessarily that it’s bad when you’re looking at that; as long as you’re able to [unclear] good points to: ‘I like that’. A lot of times I’ve just looked at something: ‘that’s bad’; ‘that’s bad’; ‘that’s bad’. |
132 |
| 00:30:45.8 |
Mm. |
IJS |
| 00:30:46.5 |
And as a profession sometimes you do that when you’re expecting something to be great. |
132 |
| 00:30:48.6 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:30:49.1 |
[unclear]. You do critique it like that, because bringing out the good. And I think this brings out the good. [unclear]. [rustling of sheet] Very, very simple. |
132 |
| 00:31:00.0 |
Good. So the threshold into it… So in a way quite small, relatively small. |
IJS |
| 00:31:07.0 |
Yes. Um. It should probably be even smaller. I’ve just made it this small. Uh. I’m 35. First did my first course when I was seventeen, eighteen or something. Got a.. er… got a full-time job and thought the money was brilliant. Education wasn’t. Many years down the line, when I first found out [unclear] basically when I had a bit of a quick time with everything, and when I first found that I had anxiety – very insecure at the time. |
132 |
| 00:31:42.0 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:31:42.6 |
I got some help for it. But in knew that I couldn’t go back to work. It just…it wasn’t going to be possible. |
132 |
| 00:31:49.2 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:31:49.8 |
Uh. And I was thinking about going ahead and really something to occupy myself, ’cause the only thing I was doing here was dragging myself further down this bad path. ‘What do you like? What do you love?’ , and with about three weeks to go before the course started, I applied for a foundation degree – on New Year’s Eve. Before [unclear] like ten… it’s years ago. And got into that. But I thought I hadn’t a chance to get in even… I was very worried about applying… I was very worried about my chances. Um. Still to this day whether I got in because of my age. But it doesn’t matter. I got in and it didn’t…second from last [unclear]. So… I was very proud. So personally it was very difficult for me get into. |
132 |
| 00:32:40.0 |
Great. Okay. So trumpets opened it out, which means you’re kind of coming towards the point here, this point here with this barb onto and your professional life after it. What does that transition bring up in your mind, that threshold? Is there… |
IJS |
| 00:33:08.7 |
Between graduating and… |
132 |
| 00:33:12.7 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:33:13.1 |
…professional? |
132 |
| 00:33:13.8 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:33:15.1 |
Um. Well that’s quite simple for me. [rustling of sheet] [unclear] back to the big anxiety. |
132 |
| 00:33:30.5 |
Right. |
IJS |
| 00:33:31.4 |
[rustling of sheet] Because I’m very worried about whether I’ll be good enough. Can I hack it? Will I be able to hold down a full-time job – it’s the first time I’ve tried that in five years? |
132 |
| 00:33:41.3 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:33:42.0 |
Um. But I will [[unclear] back to the good – because if it works out, I’ll feel like that guy again. You know? |
132 |
| 00:33:56.5 |
Yeah. Yeah. Good. So that’s the whole… |
IJS |
| 00:34:02.4 |
[unclear]. |
132 |
| 00:34:06.6 |
[unclear]. |
IJS |
| 00:34:06.8 |
[unclear]. |
132 |
| 00:34:08.4 |
Um. So, um, next thing I’m asking you is, you’ve got just under a year ahead. What’s the best use of your time in this final stretch? |
IJS |
| 00:34:32.0 |
Um. The best use of my time. This is a little bit…because I’m running out of space, and I’m trying to think where to do it. um. [unclear] professional is kind of [unclear] and then this is quite simple and [rustling of sheet] looking with a [unclear]. So it’s trying not to look from that… |
132 |
| 00:35:15.2 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:35:15.8 |
…um, structurally a horrible phrase everybody hears – time management. Is very vital and try to address it as much as you can, but it seems to be working for me. From Monday to Friday, if I get my head down – now that’s 9 to 5 – whatever way you work it…it means that I can still have my weekends. ‘Cause if you don’t get a break, especially personally, it’d just swallow you up: it’s all you need… Even if it’s one day a week. So get the head down and do the work and all will be good. And it seems to be [unclear] this year and that’s how I’ve been approaching it. It seems to be working. |
132 |
| 00:35:59.1 |
Great. Good luck! [laughing] |
IJS |
| 00:36:02.0 |
Yeah. |
132 |
| 00:36:03.3 |
Yeah. Thank you for this. |
IJS |
