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Speaker |
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How big would that graphic design education be on this sheet and what shape or symbol would you use to represent your graphic design education? We’ll look later to sketch further within it. |
IJS |
| 00:00:14.7 |
Okay. So do I have to sketch something now? |
184 |
| 00:00:16.4 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
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Do it have to be big? |
184 |
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It… The size you think it should be. |
IJS |
| 00:00:21.1 |
The size I think it should be, okay. |
184 |
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And whatever shape or symbol you think it should be that… |
IJS |
| 00:00:24.7 |
[rustling of sheet] Okay. |
184 |
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…sums up your graphic design education. |
IJS |
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Okay. Um. Do I…I don’t write it, do I? Just draw it. |
184 |
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You can do writing as well. |
IJS |
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I can do writing as well? |
184 |
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Yeah. |
IJS |
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Wow. |
184 |
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It’s your sheet. |
IJS |
| 00:00:38.0 |
Um. Does it have to be one shape? |
184 |
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Uh, no, not if it suits better for you to do… |
IJS |
| 00:00:44.5 |
Okay. I think, um, tell me if I’m doing… Is that going to be, like big enough? It’s…it’s my decision! [laughing] |
184 |
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It’s your decision! [laughing] |
IJS |
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Okay, okay. [rustling of sheet] Ooh, the pen’s really smooth. |
184 |
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Isn’t it? |
IJS |
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[rustling of sheet] Ooh. Brilliant. Um. [rustling of sheet] |
184 |
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Explain. |
IJS |
| 00:01:15.8 |
Um. [clearing throat] It’s kind of the… I see the education I had at college is very different to the education when I first started specialising in graphics at college. |
184 |
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Uh-huh. |
IJS |
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Um, to the education that I’ve received here. They’re quite different things but obviously there is still the overarching kind of… |
184 |
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Uh-huh. |
IJS |
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…stuff that is similar. |
184 |
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Okay. Slightly different sizes. |
IJS |
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Uh-huh. |
184 |
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Which is which on there, then? |
IJS |
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Um. [laughing] This is college. |
184 |
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That’s college? |
IJS |
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Yeah. |
184 |
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The bigger… |
IJS |
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Yeah, yeah. |
184 |
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The bigger one. |
IJS |
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The bigger one, yeah. |
184 |
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Okay. |
IJS |
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Um, ’cause this…this gave me, um, I did a BTEC… |
184 |
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Yeah. |
IJS |
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…in graphics and illustration and, um, it set me up creativity…creativity-wise for life. Whereas… |
184 |
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Mm. |
IJS |
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…um, this is looking at more the technical and, um… |
184 |
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Uh-huh. |
IJS |
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…kind of, um, business side… Not business side but getting ready to go out into the world and stuff. Whereas college didn’t give me any of that, but it gave me my working method, you know, like the direction that I wanted to go in. |
184 |
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Yeah. |
IJS |
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So it’s…it’s much bigger. |
184 |
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Right, yeah. So do you want to mark them up so that they’re… |
IJS |
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Yeah. [rustling of sheet] I have the world’s worst handwriting! [laughing] [rustling of sheet] |
184 |
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Yeah. So you’ve got college and uni. Um. That gives us the kind of shape of the whole education and you’ve kind of got a little bit already. |
IJS |
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Yeah. |
184 |
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‘Cause the next thing I was going to ask is, when you think about your graphic design education, what divisions did it have? Now they could be over time… |
IJS |
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Uh-huh. |
184 |
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…it could be conceptually… |
IJS |
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Yep. |
184 |
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…uh, project-based or whatever. But if I said to you, ‘What are the divisions of your graphic design education?’ |
IJS |
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Um. Do you mean like a refinement or…like, you only sort of [unclear], like uni’s refined me a lot more, whereas at college I did a bit of everything, you know… |
184 |
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Yeah. Yeah. If… |
IJS |
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Or do you mean… |
184 |
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Whatever… If I said to you, ‘Right, graphic design education. What parts of it were… What divisions were there within your graphic design education?’ you might say… |
IJS |
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Ideas and… |
184 |
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You might say, uh, ‘Oh, it’s about this area and that area.’ |
IJS |
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Okay. |
184 |
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Could you… |
IJS |
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Well I think the division of graphic design, when I think back to something one of the tutors here kind of said, if you look at it really, like, logically… |
184 |
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Uh-huh. |
IJS |
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…it’s words. |
184 |
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Right. |
IJS |
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Image. |
184 |
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Uh-huh. |
IJS |
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Sometimes sound. And, like, um, I think it’s easier to divide like that… |
184 |
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Right. |
IJS |
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…than it is to divide, kind of, technique-wise. |
184 |
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Yeah? So on that… |
IJS |
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Okay. |
184 |
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…drawing, how would you divide that into those things? |
IJS |
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Um. |
184 |
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And are those divisions the same in each…each bit? |
IJS |
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Well… I’m not really making this graphically not really interesting anymore. [rustling of sheet] |
184 |
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Mm. That’s very interesting. |
IJS |
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I mean, it looks like it could be, um, some voodoo or something! [laughing] |
184 |
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It does, yeah! [laughing] |
IJS |
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A secret thing! So kind of, uh, [unclear] that would be sound, because we did a lot of sound work in college. |
184 |
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Okay. |
IJS |
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Yeah. |
184 |
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[unclear] then. Yeah. |
IJS |
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Okay, that’s fine. I still [unclear]. |
184 |
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Yeah. Uh-huh. The small one is uni, yeah. |
IJS |
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Um. I’m going to have that as words, ’cause we’re doing mainly typography stuff at the moment. |
184 |
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Uh-huh. |
IJS |
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And happens to be [unclear]! [laughing] |
184 |
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[unclear]. Alright! [laughing] |
IJS |
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Um, uh. That must be… |
184 |
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[laughing] |
IJS |
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Um. Okay, I’m going to have two visuals. |
184 |
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Oh yeah. |
IJS |
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Um. One is sound… |
184 |
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Uh-huh. |
IJS |
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…and the last would be… |
184 |
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A mish-mash. |
IJS |
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A mish-mash… |
184 |
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Yeah. |
IJS |
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…combination of the lot… |
184 |
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Yeah. |
IJS |
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…I guess. |
184 |
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So it looks… It’s kind of gone, um… It looks as though uni is more wordy… |
IJS |
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Yeah. |
184 |
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…and college was more visual. |
IJS |
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. |
184 |
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Yeah? |
IJS |
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Yeah. |
184 |
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Was that…? |
IJS |
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Yeah. |
184 |
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Good. Within that then… |
IJS |
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Mm. |
184 |
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…um, we’ve all got our ups and downs. |
IJS |
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Mm. |
184 |
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Have you had any particular challenges and how would you mark them on there? |
IJS |
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Um. |
184 |
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If you have. |
IJS |
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Oh, I have. Everyone has. Challenges to do with graphics itself? |
184 |
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During this… |
IJS |
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During this… |
184 |
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…period, yeah. |
IJS |
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…period. Um. Um. Do I…do I tweak it still? |
184 |
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Yeah, just however you would represent those challenges on there. |
IJS |
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Okay. Um. [rustling of sheet] Um. It’s kind of tunnel vision. Not tunnel vision, um, I always really struggled through college and even, like, it was so broad, you know? |
184 |
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Yeah. |
IJS |
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Um, and kind of trying to specialise and everything. |
184 |
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Uh-huh. |
IJS |
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But obviously, um, kind of refining what I do and stuff has… |
184 |
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Yeah. |
IJS |
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…was difficult for me. And also probably, um, um, motivation. [rustling of sheet] |
184 |
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Uh-huh. |
IJS |
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Um. And, um, also confidence. |
184 |
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Uh-huh. |
IJS |
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Uh, like…I’m feeling pretty good at where I am now, though. |
184 |
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Uh-huh. So is confidence increasing? |
IJS |
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Yeah. Yeah. Can I go outside the circle? |
184 |
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Yeah. Of course you can. |
IJS |
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[rustling of sheet] |
184 |
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Yeah. Great. So is motivation increasing? |
IJS |
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Um. Motivation is a weird thing. At college I was so, so, so, so motivated. |
184 |
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Yeah. |
IJS |
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Um, first year really motivated. |
184 |
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Uh-huh. |
IJS |
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Second year not at all. |
184 |
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Okay. |
IJS |
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And then third year, yeah, I got more motivated, like, so… |
184 |
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How would you represent that on there? [laughing] |
IJS |
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Can I go here? |
184 |
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Yeah. |
IJS |
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Um. [rustling of sheet] I’m sorry. I have the worst handwriting! [unclear] [laughing] |
184 |
| 00:08:27.3 |
Okay. |
IJS |
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Oh God! [laughing] [rustling of sheet] There were a few more squares in the bar chart but because it’s a bar chart it’s okay. |
184 |
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Yeah. |
IJS |
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[rustling of sheet] So always more motivated in college than… |
184 |
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Uh-huh. |
IJS |
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…like… |
184 |
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Okay. So that’s college. |
IJS |
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College, university. |
184 |
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So you…you’re coming out into this… |
IJS |
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Yeah. |
184 |
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…bit, motivation. Okay. And that is motivation? |
IJS |
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Yes. [rustling of sheet] |
184 |
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Good. So you’ve put that over the top and you’ve got a line of confidence going up and… |
IJS |
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Yeah. |
184 |
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…and then you’ve got this… |
IJS |
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Yep. |
184 |
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…bowl shape. |
IJS |
| 00:09:21.2 |
Yeah, yeah. |
184 |
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Yeah? Good. What about, then, that’s challenges, what about any particular highlights you’ve had? How would you mark those on there? |
IJS |
| 00:09:31.3 |
Um. It’s all part of the same experience really, isn’t it? [unclear] Do you mean highs creativity-wise or like highs motivation-wise or…just highs in… |
184 |
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If [unclear] what was great about it. Or what did you really enjoy or what did you… |
IJS |
| 00:10:01.3 |
Mm. |
184 |
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Is there something that shines out for you in particular? |
IJS |
| 00:10:05.2 |
Um. College was amazing! [laughing] |
184 |
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Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:10:08.2 |
Um. [clearing throat] So… I mean, it’s not that I haven’t enjoyed this… |
184 |
| 00:10:15.0 |
Uh-huh. Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:10:15.8 |
I think there’s a real excitement when you’re first finding your creativity… |
184 |
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Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:10:22.4 |
…and you’re like, I did a BTEC that enabled me to, um, just do anything I wanted. |
184 |
| 00:10:30.1 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
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You know, to go from everything to then refine it is a better way to do it, I think, for myself personally, as opposed to starting going very thin and then trying to go larger. |
184 |
| 00:10:44.1 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:10:45.3 |
So college was… I don’t know. |
184 |
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Where would that be? |
IJS |
| 00:10:50.0 |
Um. |
184 |
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‘Cause that’s college, isn’t it? |
IJS |
| 00:10:52.8 |
Mm. Um. Well I could put it in there, though. [rustling of sheet] Um. |
184 |
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And you said that you found creativity there. |
IJS |
| 00:11:03.6 |
Mm. Yeah, yeah, yeah. |
184 |
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It’s a great thing to find, isn’t it? |
IJS |
| 00:11:07.3 |
No, I think so. I came from a… It was kind of like life-changing. I know it sounds really clichéd but I came from a born-again boarding school… |
184 |
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Okay. |
IJS |
| 00:11:18.2 |
…and I didn’t have a good time there. |
184 |
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Mm. |
IJS |
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And then took a chance to do something that I liked and [rustling of sheet] never looked back really, so… |
184 |
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Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:11:29.0 |
…it was like… [rustling of sheet] Whereas then I was already sorted… |
184 |
| 00:11:33.3 |
Right. |
IJS |
| 00:11:33.6 |
…so [unclear] |
184 |
| 00:11:34.4 |
Yeah. So that had to happen? |
IJS |
| 00:11:37.2 |
Yeah. Yeah. Whereas… [rustling of sheet] the second year was a lot of fun for not work-wise but, um, confidence-wise… |
184 |
| 00:11:48.1 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:11:48.5 |
…like, um, I didn’t…I wasn’t that motivated… |
184 |
| 00:11:51.6 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:11:52.1 |
…but I still managed to, like, still be coming up with stuff, you know… |
184 |
| 00:11:57.3 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:11:57.9 |
…so, like, that was really, in a warped way, a real confidence boost. |
184 |
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Mm. |
IJS |
| 00:12:01.6 |
Like, to know that you can not be working as hard as you could be but still doing stuff that you’re proud of. |
184 |
| 00:12:07.5 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:12:07.9 |
Like, um… |
184 |
| 00:12:10.7 |
Yeah. Okay. |
IJS |
| 00:12:12.3 |
I think…I think there’s a direct reflections that first year… I had a really tough time personally. |
184 |
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Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:12:17.3 |
You know, within my halls and stuff, like, and just unfortunately I had a bit of a dodgy flat and so that not… I don’t consider my first year as a highlight because of the other stuff affecting… |
184 |
| 00:12:34.3 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:12:35.0 |
…like if I look on the design, I did some good work and… |
184 |
| 00:12:37.4 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:12:37.9 |
…some work that I’m still proud of but as a whole it’s kind of a bit… [laughing] hit and miss. But third year I’m going to colour in third year as well. [rustling of sheet] |
184 |
| 00:12:46.4 |
Okay. |
IJS |
| 00:12:48.4 |
Because it’s going well. |
184 |
| 00:12:49.6 |
Right. Good. |
IJS |
| 00:12:50.8 |
So far! [laughing] |
184 |
| 00:12:51.5 |
So far! |
IJS |
| 00:12:52.7 |
It’s October, but…! [laughing] |
184 |
| 00:12:53.5 |
We’ll come back to this year. |
IJS |
| 00:12:55.4 |
Yeah. |
184 |
| 00:12:55.8 |
Um. So do you want to sort of indicate on there that this is about having found creativity, then? |
IJS |
| 00:13:01.9 |
Here? |
184 |
| 00:13:02.8 |
Yeah. That’s quite an important… [rustling of sheet] thing, isn’t it? Right. Good. Alright. We’ve summed up your design education… |
IJS |
| 00:13:21.0 |
Yep. |
184 |
| 00:13:21.1 |
…fine. We’ll return to it a little bit. |
IJS |
| 00:13:24.7 |
Yeah, sure. |
184 |
| 00:13:25.7 |
But what I’d like you to think about now is let’s put aside your professional life… |
IJS |
| 00:13:32.4 |
Yep. |
184 |
| 00:13:32.5 |
…ahead. |
IJS |
| 00:13:33.1 |
Uh-huh. |
184 |
| 00:13:33.6 |
I want you to think about life ahead outside of that professional bit. |
IJS |
| 00:13:38.0 |
Uh-huh. |
184 |
| 00:13:39.2 |
So that might… |
IJS |
| 00:13:40.8 |
It’s very scary! [laughing] |
184 |
| 00:13:40.9 |
[laughing] It could be, um, personal, spiritual or, um, um…cultural, creative, family. Any of those things. When you look ahead… |
IJS |
| 00:13:56.5 |
Uh-huh. |
184 |
| 00:13:57.2 |
…do you see any of that? |
IJS |
| 00:13:58.8 |
Do I see my future? |
184 |
| 00:14:01.3 |
Yeah. Do you…do you…do you… It’s about hopes and aspirations. |
IJS |
| 00:14:05.2 |
The thing is, if I say ‘no’ it makes me sound like a doughnut who’s lost for directions! [laughing] |
184 |
| 00:14:09.4 |
[laughing] |
IJS |
| 00:14:09.5 |
Um. But I just kind of, um, um, growing up, I’ve always been one of those people that doesn’t [coughing], excuse me, I moved every couple of years. |
184 |
| 00:14:19.6 |
Oh yeah? |
IJS |
| 00:14:20.1 |
You know, not for, uh…well for reasons but I’ve just… I’ve never…I’ve never had that kind of, um, s- like, that really solid thing. And so up to now everything’s always changed… |
184 |
| 00:14:35.9 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:14:36.3 |
…really…um, kind of really much… Just it changes quite quickly and so, like, I try not to plan too much, you know? |
184 |
| 00:14:45.3 |
Alright. |
IJS |
| 00:14:45.5 |
I would have, however, like a cat in the future. [laughing] |
184 |
| 00:14:48.5 |
[laughing] Right! So it’s a… So the future, then, what’s… How would you represent that, what you just said on there… |
IJS |
| 00:14:59.4 |
Okay. |
184 |
| 00:14:59.7 |
…as a sort of, um… It sounds like you purposely block it, in a way. |
IJS |
| 00:15:05.9 |
Yeah. No, I think I do. I… um [rustling of sheet] I’m going to incorporate the design of your um… theme, thing… bricks. |
184 |
| 00:15:25.0 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:15:25.0 |
Not as like a…it’s not a bad brick wall, but it is a brick wall. |
184 |
| 00:15:25.1 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:15:25.2 |
Um. Just, um, I don’t… I’d really like to live by the sea. I’m from West Wales so, um, I like the sea. [laughing] |
184 |
| 00:15:36.3 |
Right. It’s in your bones. |
IJS |
| 00:15:39.0 |
Technically…technically no. Um, um. My family are from near Inverness… |
184 |
| 00:15:45.3 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:15:46.0 |
…and… |
184 |
| 00:15:46.6 |
Okay. |
IJS |
| 00:15:47.9 |
…but, uh, it’s home for me. |
184 |
| 00:15:50.5 |
Yeah, yeah, alright. |
IJS |
| 00:15:51.5 |
Like, um… It’s kind of… It’s like… Okay. I’m going to draw like little hills. They look like breasts! [laughing] Oh God! Um. Okay. I’ll just draw a sun as well. |
184 |
| 00:16:07.3 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:16:07.7 |
It’s not darkness. It’s just to show it’s not darkness behind the brick wall. |
184 |
| 00:16:11.3 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:16:11.8 |
It’s like…like… It’s just I try not to, um… Like I know a couple of people that kind of have kind of five-year plans… |
184 |
| 00:16:21.7 |
Mm. |
IJS |
| 00:16:22.4 |
…you know? And the idea of that 1) terrifies me and 2) I don’t see myself in setting stuff, um, that I really, like, that then won’t happen. You know, like… |
184 |
| 00:16:39.1 |
Mm. |
IJS |
| 00:16:39.4 |
…I’m more likely to get kind of like, ‘Ooh!’… |
184 |
| 00:16:41.5 |
[laughing] |
IJS |
| 00:16:41.7 |
…and then you’re… But… |
184 |
| 00:16:43.9 |
So that’s a wall… |
IJS |
| 00:16:46.6 |
It’s a good wall. |
184 |
| 00:16:47.8 |
Yeah. It’s your wall. |
IJS |
| 00:16:50.0 |
Yeah, it’s my wall. It’s a good wall! [laughing] |
184 |
| 00:16:52.4 |
Okay. Yeah. And on it, it looks as though it’s hopeful. I mean, it’s… |
IJS |
| 00:16:58.6 |
Oh yeah, yeah. That’s…that’s… And I need to demonstrate. That’s not like a dark, horrid place, like… |
184 |
| 00:17:03.7 |
No. No. |
IJS |
| 00:17:05.0 |
It’s just… I’m quite happy with my lot at the moment, you know… |
184 |
| 00:17:07.3 |
Okay. |
IJS |
| 00:17:07.4 |
…so… |
184 |
| 00:17:07.9 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:17:08.6 |
…um… |
184 |
| 00:17:09.2 |
Okay. |
IJS |
| 00:17:09.7 |
…I can’t really imagine things getting better or worse. |
184 |
| 00:17:13.3 |
Right. |
IJS |
| 00:17:13.6 |
So it’s good. |
184 |
| 00:17:14.9 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:17:15.1 |
I’ll put something to make it more realistic. I’ll put a cloud in there as well. [laughing] |
184 |
| 00:17:20.3 |
Just a little white one! [laughing] |
IJS |
| 00:17:20.7 |
Just a little white one, yeah, just to dampen my parade! |
184 |
| 00:17:24.8 |
[laughing] Good. Okay. That’s the [unclear]. You did say… |
IJS |
| 00:17:30.3 |
I did, I did. |
184 |
| 00:17:31.8 |
Which should go on a wall. |
IJS |
| 00:17:33.6 |
I’m going to put some… Oh God, some awful waves in there as well. |
184 |
| 00:17:38.1 |
Oh yeah? |
IJS |
| 00:17:39.7 |
And… [laughing] to save myself from embarrassment I’m actually going to write! [laughing] |
184 |
| 00:17:43.2 |
[laughing] |
IJS |
| 00:17:44.0 |
Because it might just be a blob and you’ll be like, ‘Is that a cloud? Is that a rose?’ |
184 |
| 00:17:49.3 |
[unclear] Good. So that’s kind of thinking wider life. |
IJS |
| 00:17:56.5 |
Uh-huh. |
184 |
| 00:17:57.5 |
I’d like to focus in on professional life. |
IJS |
| 00:17:59.6 |
Uh-huh. Yeah, yeah. |
184 |
| 00:18:00.4 |
It’s something that’s coming at the end of this year. |
IJS |
| 00:18:08.0 |
Yes! [laughing] |
184 |
| 00:18:08.8 |
[laughing] So when you think about that, what do you see to it? Are there parts or elements of it that you can see as part of your professional life? |
IJS |
| 00:18:23.8 |
I really like… I think at the moment, um, obviously I’ve not gone out into the wider world… |
184 |
| 00:18:31.4 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:18:31.8 |
…but I…I like the idea of it. This sounds like a silly thing, like, but I like…I like the idea of the lifestyle I could have. |
184 |
| 00:18:40.4 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:18:40.8 |
Like I prefer, uh, thinking about a kind of… I mean, this is like a drastic one but would I want to be in an office all day, every day, you know, like, working in a bank or something? Not just saying working in a bank, but I’m just saying for my own personal… |
184 |
| 00:18:59.9 |
Uh-huh. Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:19:00.4 |
…taste, the idea of not doing something creative doesn’t make me feel that good, you know? |
184 |
| 00:19:06.7 |
Okay. |
IJS |
| 00:19:07.0 |
Uh. |
184 |
| 00:19:10.4 |
And how do you get that on there? So this ‘not this’, isn’t there, on there? |
IJS |
| 00:19:15.3 |
Yeah, yeah. |
184 |
| 00:19:16.0 |
So… |
IJS |
| 00:19:16.5 |
Um. That’s a very good question. And I’m going to do it in writing if that’s okay. |
184 |
| 00:19:27.2 |
Okay. |
IJS |
| 00:19:27.5 |
‘Cause I think… |
184 |
| 00:19:28.3 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:19:28.6 |
…I think I can illustrate it better in words… |
184 |
| 00:19:30.7 |
Yeah. Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:19:31.7 |
…than I can… [rustling of sheet] |
184 |
| 00:19:57.7 |
Mm. Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:20:00.0 |
Um. Because it’s so engrained in who I am… |
184 |
| 00:20:04.4 |
Mm. |
IJS |
| 00:20:05.0 |
…you know, kind of I don’t know how to enjoy… not doing graphics specifically, but also, like, um, whilst graphics is kind of who I want to be professionally, like, um, without trying to sound like pretentious as hell… [laughing] |
184 |
| 00:20:24.8 |
Mm. |
IJS |
| 00:20:25.4 |
…I like to think I’m creative in the rest of my life… |
184 |
| 00:20:27.6 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:20:28.5 |
…like photography is my biggest hobby, you know, but I like making things and doing stuff which isn’t…which can sometimes still be graphics but isn’t to do with work. |
184 |
| 00:20:42.9 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:20:43.5 |
You know, like just the idea of not having time to do that or… |
184 |
| 00:20:46.8 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:20:46.9 |
…not having that type of profession is something that really, really scares me, like. |
184 |
| 00:20:51.1 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:20:51.8 |
But as long as I have a cat, I’ll be fine! [laughing] |
184 |
| 00:20:54.2 |
Yeah! [laughing] So, so that suggests to me that your profession isn’t going to fill this… |
IJS |
| 00:21:05.8 |
No. |
184 |
| 00:21:06.5 |
…space, then? |
IJS |
| 00:21:07.2 |
No. Whilst…whilst I think graphics is a big part of who I am… |
184 |
| 00:21:11.3 |
Mm. |
IJS |
| 00:21:11.7 |
…and often the ethos is that a…they use within design are the same ones that I like to practice in my everyday life… |
184 |
| 00:21:20.8 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:21:21.3 |
You know, like at the moment we’re designing kind of…we’re talking about sustainability… |
184 |
| 00:21:25.5 |
Mm. |
IJS |
| 00:21:26.0 |
…and sustainable design stuff, but at the same time I like to live like that. Do you know what I mean? |
184 |
| 00:21:30.8 |
Uh-huh. Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:21:31.9 |
I don’t see it as kind of nine-to-five and then you switch off and then go home. |
184 |
| 00:21:36.1 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:21:36.7 |
I don’t see work as my entire life. Like, I have other things that… |
184 |
| 00:21:41.8 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:21:42.5 |
…are important to me as well. |
184 |
| 00:21:44.6 |
How do you represent that, then… |
IJS |
| 00:21:46.6 |
Okay. |
184 |
| 00:21:47.5 |
…on here? |
IJS |
| 00:21:48.3 |
Oh, shit! [laughing] Um. Okay. Um. |
184 |
| 00:21:57.2 |
Do you need…? [rustling of sheet] More than one sheet! |
IJS |
| 00:22:00.7 |
It’s magic! [laughing] |
184 |
| 00:22:02.0 |
[laughing] |
IJS |
| 00:22:02.1 |
Um. [rustling of sheet] These are not good triangles. [laughing] That’s not even a triangle! Okay. [mumbling] Um. I don’t whether to name it ‘design’ or whether to name it something else. |
184 |
| 00:22:45.5 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:22:46.9 |
Um. Okay. I’m going to name it ‘design’ purely for…uh, not… This is kind of… [rustling of sheet] Um. I’ll call it Type, Design and Matter. |
184 |
| 00:23:09.4 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:23:10.2 |
Um. This is the rest of my life and this is design. Um. It’s kind of an equal thing but also time-wise, this takes up a lot of time. |
184 |
| 00:23:25.1 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:23:25.7 |
You know? So, um…I think that’s it. |
184 |
| 00:23:30.7 |
Okay. Okay. You’ve begun to answer there my next, um, question. |
IJS |
| 00:23:38.9 |
I’m a step ahead of you! |
184 |
| 00:23:39.0 |
You are! [laughing] |
IJS |
| 00:23:40.3 |
[laughing] |
184 |
| 00:23:41.3 |
Education. |
IJS |
| 00:23:42.6 |
Yeah. |
184 |
| 00:23:43.4 |
Um. The, uh, wider life. |
IJS |
| 00:23:47.2 |
Uh-huh. |
184 |
| 00:23:47.3 |
And profession. Are these kind of domains. |
IJS |
| 00:23:50.6 |
Yeah, yeah. |
184 |
| 00:23:51.5 |
There’s one we talk about often. It’s ‘the industry’. |
IJS |
| 00:23:54.9 |
Uh-huh. |
184 |
| 00:23:55.7 |
So what I want you to think about, what I want is the name of your industry. What shape is it? What boundaries has it got? What borders has it got? |
IJS |
| 00:24:11.4 |
That’s the hardest question yet, I think! [laughing] |
184 |
| 00:24:12.5 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:24:13.0 |
Um. Could you say that again for me? |
184 |
| 00:24:17.8 |
So the name of the industry, what boundaries has it got… So we’re going to characterise on here this industry. |
IJS |
| 00:24:24.9 |
Uh-huh. Uh-huh. |
184 |
| 00:24:25.6 |
Um, so what shape or symbol or image comes to you when you think of this industry? |
IJS |
| 00:24:32.8 |
I would go for ‘creative communication’… |
184 |
| 00:24:37.6 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:24:38.0 |
…industry because… that’s just for the ‘creative industry’. There are so many things that are creative, not just, like, art-wise [unclear]. It’s like being a mathematician’s creative, you know, being a scientist… |
184 |
| 00:24:53.4 |
Okay. Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:24:54.5 |
… it’s just different kinds of creativity. |
184 |
| 00:24:54.7 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:24:54.9 |
And I mean… |
184 |
| 00:24:59.3 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:25:02.6 |
Um. But, um, I think typical…specifically graphic design or graphic communication or whatever you want to call it, communications [unclear] by communicating… |
184 |
| 00:25:17.8 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:25:17.9 |
…a message, you know… |
184 |
| 00:25:19.7 |
Okay. That’s the name of it. |
IJS |
| 00:25:21.2 |
And then… |
184 |
| 00:25:21.9 |
What about a… |
IJS |
| 00:25:23.8 |
A shape? |
184 |
| 00:25:23.9 |
…shape or image and the edges of it. |
IJS |
| 00:25:27.9 |
Okay. Um. It’s hard to do it with such a definite pen. |
184 |
| 00:25:35.3 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:25:35.6 |
I don’t think that the edge has a shape… You know what? |
184 |
| 00:25:42.1 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:25:42.8 |
[rustling of sheet] It’s not going to be… |
184 |
| 00:25:45.8 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:25:46.0 |
Um. It’s kind of… [rustling of sheet] |
184 |
| 00:25:52.5 |
So I think it’s kind of like… |
IJS |
| 00:25:54.0 |
[unclear] |
184 |
| 00:25:54.3 |
[unclear] |
IJS |
| 00:25:55.9 |
Yeah. What was that? |
184 |
| 00:25:56.6 |
Blurred, yeah? |
IJS |
| 00:25:59.8 |
Yeah. It’s kind of… Because you take… like, I often take something in a project that I arrange from science or something, like… |
184 |
| 00:26:07.6 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:26:07.9 |
…and it’s kind of like you’re not just… So this is the creative industry and this is the maths industry. |
184 |
| 00:26:17.2 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:26:17.9 |
There’s a connection, do you know what I mean? |
184 |
| 00:26:19.8 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:26:20.1 |
And I think it’s, um…not…not close-minded but to look at it… [rustling of sheet] There are other industries branching off… |
184 |
| 00:26:32.6 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:26:33.2 |
…that are kind of, in the same way that Illustration would probably be, coming through here… It’s more clear within, kind of, creative sectors or whatever you want to call it… |
184 |
| 00:26:46.1 |
Mm, yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:26:46.2 |
…but there is going to be branches, and I think that probably leads back to my college education… |
184 |
| 00:26:51.7 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:26:52.4 |
…that kind of, um, I worked a lot with, like, I did a lot of illustration work… |
184 |
| 00:26:58.0 |
Mm. |
IJS |
| 00:26:58.1 |
…and you do a lot of film work and stuff. And so we see that there are… [rustling of sheet] spaces to learn which kind of meld with both. |
184 |
| 00:27:07.4 |
Yeah. Great. So we’ve got another domain there – industry. Education, wider life, cat… |
IJS |
| 00:27:19.5 |
I sound like a crazy cat lady! [laughing] |
184 |
| 00:27:21.0 |
[laughing] |
IJS |
| 00:27:21.8 |
I’m not – I just really love my cats! |
184 |
| 00:27:23.3 |
At least you haven’t some bags as well! [laughing] |
IJS |
| 00:27:26.1 |
[laughing] |
184 |
| 00:27:29.5 |
So we’ve got all this. I want you to just think about the pathways from one to the other, particularly do you know when you said this… |
IJS |
| 00:27:40.4 |
Yeah. |
184 |
| 00:27:40.6 |
…was running into that? Well I want to know, if that’s into college, and so what the threshold from before it… |
IJS |
| 00:27:49.1 |
Uh-huh. |
184 |
| 00:27:49.3 |
…so that was into college. |
IJS |
| 00:27:50.9 |
Uh-huh. |
184 |
| 00:27:51.7 |
What was that like? Was it easy or…? |
IJS |
| 00:27:58.2 |
Um, yeah. It was easy. |
184 |
| 00:27:59.0 |
Yeah? |
IJS |
| 00:28:00.3 |
I think so. Um. Um, I was fortunate enough to have a really, like, really good teachers and stuff… |
184 |
| 00:28:08.4 |
Okay. |
IJS |
| 00:28:09.1 |
…and like…and, um… It was…it was…it was weird because you wouldn’t think that going from a kind of insanely strict boarding school, where the girls were kind of hippy-dippy, [unclear] kind of what-have-you… |
184 |
| 00:28:28.0 |
Mm. |
IJS |
| 00:28:28.8 |
…[unclear] would be a really easy transition but, um, you were made to work very hard… |
184 |
| 00:28:36.4 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:28:36.5 |
…in boarding school – very, very hard – and so I already had kind of engrained within me a kind of real… There’s just no option to not work… |
184 |
| 00:28:48.0 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:28:48.6 |
[laughing] You know, like, kind of like you just worked very hard, so it’s just really the transition of working on stuff… |
184 |
| 00:28:54.3 |
Right. |
IJS |
| 00:28:55.6 |
…you don’t like to stuff you like. |
184 |
| 00:28:56.7 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:28:56.9 |
And that’s enjoyable. |
184 |
| 00:28:59.3 |
How would you represent that easy… |
IJS |
| 00:29:00.7 |
Um. |
184 |
| 00:29:02.3 |
…transition? [rustling of sheet] Yeah? |
IJS |
| 00:29:08.9 |
I like… [rustling of sheet] [unclear] here. [laughing] |
184 |
| 00:29:17.7 |
Good. So that one was easy. |
IJS |
| 00:29:18.0 |
Yeah. |
184 |
| 00:29:20.9 |
What about [rustling of sheet] you’re in your third year here. |
IJS |
| 00:29:25.9 |
Uh-huh. |
184 |
| 00:29:26.5 |
And this one. |
IJS |
| 00:29:29.0 |
Mm. |
184 |
| 00:29:30.0 |
How’s the transition looking for you at the moment? |
IJS |
| 00:29:34.7 |
I’m going to draw it as a dotted line because I’m going to get there. [laughing] But, um, I’m very nervous about a lot of stuff. Um. Like, I imagine that from [here] and very rural [here], you know, so kind of some people can kind of look for a job when they get home, like they can leave the city here [redacted] you know, and go home and kind of thing. There isn’t…there isn’t companies in…in particularly where I live for kind of long distances. |
184 |
| 00:30:12.7 |
Mm. |
IJS |
| 00:30:13.3 |
But also I don’t think I have the self-discipline necessarily to freelance. Like… |
184 |
| 00:30:19.7 |
Uh-huh. Okay. |
IJS |
| 00:30:20.3 |
I think the idea is still in the back of my head, motivation, which is like, ‘Ooh, could I do it?’ You know, like… |
184 |
| 00:30:26.5 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:30:27.7 |
So I don’t know, but… So this…it’s…it’s scary. It is scaring me. I’m very nervous. Like, I’m going to call this ‘the line of nerve’! |
184 |
| 00:30:41.0 |
Okay. [laughing] |
IJS |
| 00:30:43.9 |
[laughing] Um. ‘Cause it feels like, you know, it feels like [unclear], you know, like. |
184 |
| 00:30:48.2 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:30:49.7 |
I don’t know. It’s just it’s not…it’s not kind of a straight line. It’s, like, broader and, you know, it’s like… |
184 |
| 00:30:53.8 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:30:54.8 |
…it’s…it’s…there’s lots of things that I still have questions about, you know, like, lots of stuff, and I’m like, ‘Ooh!’ [laughing] |
184 |
| 00:31:01.9 |
Yeah. Yeah. So there’s some tension then, about it then that…there comes the sea and so on. |
IJS |
| 00:31:09.4 |
Mm. |
184 |
| 00:31:10.5 |
Is there a tension between when that might be then, and the possibilities of that, ways of achieving… |
IJS |
| 00:31:17.8 |
What? Can I achieve… |
184 |
| 00:31:19.0 |
…the sea. |
IJS |
| 00:31:19.7 |
…can I achieve both? |
184 |
| 00:31:20.4 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:31:21.2 |
[laughing] I don’t think so! Um. I don’t think so, no. I think…I think…I think it’s about making compromises that, um, like… I think…I think as long as…as long as I’m… It’s really important for me as a person to live in a place that I like. |
184 |
| 00:31:40.2 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:31:40.9 |
Um, like, um…I won’t name any names but my sister went to a city that she really hated, um, and she had a really horrible time there. Therefore it’s really important for me to be in a place that I like, for my own wellbeing, not just kind of personally, creativity-wise. |
184 |
| 00:31:58.7 |
Mm. |
IJS |
| 00:31:59.1 |
Like I think it’s easier to…to be happy if you’re in a place you like, you know, so whilst… |
184 |
| 00:32:05.9 |
Mm. |
IJS |
| 00:32:07.0 |
…whilst this is kind of the dream… |
184 |
| 00:32:08.4 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:32:09.8 |
…as long as it’s alright [laughing] it’s fine… |
184 |
| 00:32:13.5 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:32:13.7 |
…you know, like… |
184 |
| 00:32:13.8 |
Okay. |
IJS |
| 00:32:14.7 |
You know, so like going from a personal point of view, I’m in a relationship that… |
184 |
| 00:32:19.7 |
Mm. |
IJS |
| 00:32:20.0 |
…my partner has other, um, other dreams as well that you have got to tie together, you know… |
184 |
| 00:32:26.9 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:32:27.2 |
…so, um, and we’re lucky we found the same place but… [laughing] |
184 |
| 00:32:31.4 |
Okay. |
IJS |
| 00:32:31.6 |
…like, but we both do want to go back to [home] eventually but, yeah, kind of tie in…in stuff… |
184 |
| 00:32:41.0 |
Mm. |
IJS |
| 00:32:41.5 |
…is a difficult one there as well, you know? I’m just going to talk about this. [rustling of sheet] |
184 |
| 00:32:47.1 |
Yes. |
IJS |
| 00:32:50.0 |
Very [unclear]. [laughing] |
184 |
| 00:32:50.8 |
Yeah. Great. So you’ve still got that left here. What…what is, then, to you, the very best use for… |
IJS |
| 00:33:06.6 |
Um. |
184 |
| 00:33:06.8 |
…now? |
IJS |
| 00:33:08.8 |
Well I feel like…I feel like I’ve got a good basis, um, kind of, believe it or not! [laughing] I feel like…I feel like I don’t want to particularly… Obviously, like, you develop stuff but I don’t feel I need to work on my kind of working method particularly or, um, or kind of technical skills. It’s more about… Third year for me is about, um, getting ready the portfolio, you know? |
184 |
| 00:33:41.5 |
Okay. |
IJS |
| 00:33:41.7 |
Being able to make the most of the kind of stuff that the university can offer me. But also, um, making contacts is a really big one, I think. Like, you don’t think about it even at all during this time. I did some work experience to meet people, like, in [unclear] and that was good and working a mentor. |
184 |
| 00:34:08.0 |
Right. |
IJS |
| 00:34:09.6 |
It’s good just to be meeting people who are already doing the stuff that I want to do, like ’cause I… |
184 |
| 00:34:14.0 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:34:14.2 |
Um. |
184 |
| 00:34:16.6 |
Good. |
IJS |
| 00:34:16.7 |
How will I illustrate that? [laughing] |
184 |
| 00:34:18.6 |
[laughing] |
IJS |
| 00:34:19.8 |
Um. Um. So there’s the, um… I… It’s the cherry on top, you know? |
184 |
| 00:34:39.1 |
Okay. |
IJS |
| 00:34:39.6 |
Um. It’s kind of, um, this is all of this. |
184 |
| 00:34:44.0 |
Yeah. [rustling of sheet] Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:34:47.0 |
Plus all of this. |
184 |
| 00:34:48.4 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:34:48.7 |
[rustling of sheet] Equalling that: in theory! [laughing] |
184 |
| 00:34:54.8 |
In theory. |
IJS |
| 00:34:55.9 |
But I don’t want my employer to know this! [laughing] |
184 |
| 00:34:58.5 |
[laughing] Good. |
IJS |
| 00:35:01.4 |
I see this as…well, it’s… [laughing] |
184 |
| 00:35:03.2 |
[laughing] Great. |
IJS |
| 00:35:05.1 |
Um. But yeah. |
184 |
| 00:35:06.6 |
Great. Good luck with it. |
IJS |
| 00:35:07.4 |
Thank- |
184 |
