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Transcript |
Speaker |
| 00:00:00.0 |
How big is your graphic design education? What symbol or shape, what image would you use to represent it on here? |
IJS |
| 00:00:11.6 |
What shape? |
122 |
| 00:00:14.7 |
Mm. |
IJS |
| 00:00:15.4 |
Uh. |
122 |
| 00:00:15.7 |
What symbol or image? |
IJS |
| 00:00:18.8 |
[rustling of sheet] One sort of point to the next, I think. |
122 |
| 00:00:28.2 |
Okay. Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:00:32.8 |
Starting with, um, doing a graphics club in school. So it was an optional thing, rather than part of my GCSEs. |
122 |
| 00:00:45.7 |
So do you want to write… |
IJS |
| 00:00:50.2 |
And at my school we would have clubs once a week and you got to choose what you wanted to do. |
122 |
| 00:00:57.8 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:00:58.9 |
And I did graphics club because they only decided after everyone had picked their options that one of the sub-options of technology would be graphics and product design. |
122 |
| 00:01:12.4 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:01:12.6 |
But I’d already chosen my subjects and was happy with them. But I saw what my friends in the class were doing and I decided to join the graphics club. |
122 |
| 00:01:21.0 |
Okay. |
IJS |
| 00:01:21.8 |
In…in my spare time. |
122 |
| 00:01:24.1 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:01:25.0 |
And then when we were choosing A-Levels, I went to talk to the teacher who ran the club and she said she was happy for me to do the A-Levels based on what I’d done in the club, even though I hadn’t done GCSE. |
122 |
| 00:01:38.0 |
Mm. |
IJS |
| 00:01:38.3 |
So yeah. [rustling of sheet] Her name was Miss Edwards. [rustling of sheet] And we were the first class in the high school to ever do Graphics A-Level [unclear]. So we had no sort of previous work to reference and we would be the reference for anybody after us. |
122 |
| 00:02:01.1 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:02:01.3 |
And that was interesting, not having any reference of the schoolwork. |
122 |
| 00:02:07.2 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:02:07.3 |
But we had just got a new art and design building, so we had all the equipment and in my first lesson I turned up and sat with all the Macs and I was the first one to class and they just came along, ‘Are you okay?’ I went, ‘Yeah. How do you turn it on?’ I didn’t even know how to use a Mac. |
122 |
| 00:02:25.6 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:02:26.3 |
But she still had confidence in me. |
122 |
| 00:02:28.7 |
Okay. |
IJS |
| 00:02:32.8 |
And then… That was A-Levels and then when it was my year’s turn to do university choices, obviously there was all the palaver about tuition fees and stuff, and we all thought we’d have to pay nine grand if we do a Foundation and then start. |
122 |
| 00:02:51.8 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:02:52.5 |
‘Cause we’d be a year behind everybody else. So I was wanting to go straight into a degree to avoid that. |
122 |
| 00:02:59.2 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:02:59.6 |
But then once I started applying straight…straight into degree level (the [devolved] government has the subsidies for students) so I had something to fall back on. |
122 |
| 00:03:10.3 |
Mm. |
IJS |
| 00:03:10.7 |
I had Foundation to fall back on and I did it. |
122 |
| 00:03:13.1 |
Okay. |
IJS |
| 00:03:14.3 |
Instead of going straight to degree. That was invaluable to me. |
122 |
| 00:03:22.6 |
Foundation? |
IJS |
| 00:03:22.8 |
Yeah. |
122 |
| 00:03:24.0 |
Foundation was invaluable. Um. And you only got to do that because of the fee situation? |
IJS |
| 00:03:34.7 |
Yeah. Most art colleges don’t really take A-Levels… |
122 |
| 00:03:40.8 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:03:40.9 |
…but I still applied straight to a degree just to see if I could get in. |
122 |
| 00:03:44.7 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:03:45.2 |
Obviously, I didn’t get any offers because my skills weren’t up to the level so I had to go and do a Foundation first, and I’m really glad I did. |
122 |
| 00:03:52.3 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:03:54.2 |
So yeah. |
122 |
| 00:03:55.7 |
Right. Foundation. And then? |
IJS |
| 00:03:57.9 |
Um. It’s [rustling of sheet] to [this institution]. Which I’d heard about from the students. |
122 |
| 00:04:04.5 |
Did you write [name of Uni]? |
IJS |
| 00:04:05.8 |
Uh, do I write [name if Uni]? |
122 |
| 00:04:08.0 |
Uh, uni maybe. |
IJS |
| 00:04:09.5 |
Uni. |
122 |
| 00:04:10.3 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:04:10.4 |
Okay. [rustling of sheet] |
122 |
| 00:04:16.2 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:04:19.4 |
Which I heard about from the students on the Foundation, told me an open day. |
122 |
| 00:04:24.7 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:04:25.5 |
And one of them said about the interview down here and how much she liked it. So I thought I’d come down here for an open day and then [name of institute] sort of became my top choice. I had four options. |
122 |
| 00:04:38.3 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:04:39.1 |
And I had one left and I applied for St Martin’s in London. |
122 |
| 00:04:41.9 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:04:42.3 |
Not expecting any reply. Then they asked to see my digital portfolio, which I sent, and they asked me to go down to London for an interview. And I thought that was more encouraging than anything, ’cause I didn’t expect to get anything back. |
122 |
| 00:04:57.2 |
Mm. |
IJS |
| 00:04:58.2 |
But [this institution] was still my top choice. |
122 |
| 00:05:00.7 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:05:01.0 |
Even if I had somehow got an offer from London. |
122 |
| 00:05:03.1 |
Uh-huh. Good. |
IJS |
| 00:05:05.5 |
Yeah. |
122 |
| 00:05:06.3 |
Okay. So it’s for me, unless you’ve got any other ideas on it, was, um, the divisions of that education for you. Are those the main divisions as you see them? |
IJS |
| 00:05:25.0 |
That’s how I see them. |
122 |
| 00:05:26.0 |
Yeah? So we’ve all got our ups and downs implied in that. Are there any particular challenges that you’ve faced during this time and how would you represent them on there? |
IJS |
| 00:05:39.6 |
Challenges. Mm. I’m not even sure I’ve really had any challenges. |
122 |
| 00:05:49.1 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:05:49.9 |
Obviously [unclear] and just obviously trying to figure out where I’m going go and stuff… |
122 |
| 00:05:57.1 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:05:57.7 |
…but not really any challenges. |
122 |
| 00:05:59.2 |
Okay. What about highlights? |
IJS |
| 00:06:03.5 |
I studied abroad last semester. And that was a highlight ’cause it’s something I’ve been wanting to do since, about GCSEs. |
122 |
| 00:06:11.4 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:06:11.5 |
And my… One of the ways I chose universities, or at least open day universities, was whether or not they offered studying abroad as an option. ‘Cause if they didn’t, I just wasn’t interested in the course. That was the thing. |
122 |
| 00:06:25.4 |
Okay. So how would you mark that on there as a highlight? Is it running out [referring to pen]? |
IJS |
| 00:06:33.2 |
Yeah. Starting to dry a little bit. [rustling of sheet] [long pause] A turn on the road that goes over the horizon. |
122 |
| 00:07:01.3 |
Uh-huh. A new horizon? |
IJS |
| 00:07:04.0 |
Yeah. |
122 |
| 00:07:04.3 |
Okay. Good. So, talking about horizons… |
IJS |
| 00:07:11.8 |
Mm. |
122 |
| 00:07:12.6 |
…life ahead, we’re going to come back to profession, but we’re going to talk about life ahead, so maybe hopes and aspirations, in your life outside of profession – so that might be personal, spiritual, cultural, creative, family – um, when you look ahead now, do you see anything in those areas? Are there certain things you see, that you want to achieve in areas that aren’t related to your profession? |
IJS |
| 00:07:45.9 |
Um. I want to travel more. |
122 |
| 00:07:50.3 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:07:51.2 |
[rustling of sheet] I just saw an advert in a design magazine that said, ‘Travel before it’s not fun anymore’ and it’s just pictures of people… old age trying to travel away and [unclear] it’s just not the same. |
122 |
| 00:08:05.0 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:08:05.9 |
So I definitely want to travel more. |
122 |
| 00:08:08.8 |
Yeah. And what is it that travel will bring to you? |
IJS |
| 00:08:13.5 |
Life experience. |
122 |
| 00:08:15.5 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:08:16.0 |
Connections. Just you learn so much more, I think, travelling than staying in one place. You do the same thing day in…day in, day out. |
122 |
| 00:08:26.4 |
Right. |
IJS |
| 00:08:27.2 |
But you come across new people, cultures, new sort of ways of thinking and living. |
122 |
| 00:08:33.8 |
Mm. |
IJS |
| 00:08:34.0 |
They’re just invaluable… that’s learning. So I actually thought the clearances for that. |
122 |
| 00:08:39.7 |
Uh-huh. So how would you represent that, then? New ways of thinking and so on on here? |
IJS |
| 00:08:50.3 |
[rustling of sheet] |
122 |
| 00:09:07.7 |
Okay. Good. Anything else in your, um, in your personal sphere, in any of those areas that you see anything? |
IJS |
| 00:09:19.3 |
In terms of, like starting family? |
122 |
| 00:09:23.0 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:09:23.8 |
Probably not until I’m at least 30. |
122 |
| 00:09:25.9 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:09:27.0 |
Just because it’ll be like, in my 20s I’ll be building up to that, preparing for that, rather than trying to have a family at sort of a younger age. |
122 |
| 00:09:40.3 |
So how would you represent that on there? ‘Cause it’s kind of…not an inverse hope really but it’s a delayed aspiration… |
IJS |
| 00:09:51.4 |
Yeah, so it’s trying to build the foundations of something. |
122 |
| 00:09:54.7 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:09:56.0 |
Especially something as big as that. |
122 |
| 00:09:57.2 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:09:58.0 |
You really need to know what you want to have achieved by then or what you feel you need to have done by then in order to prepare for it. |
122 |
| 00:10:05.5 |
Right. But you mentioned 30 in particular, though. |
IJS |
| 00:10:08.1 |
Yeah. |
122 |
| 00:10:09.0 |
So how would you encapsulate this into the notion of…delaying it until 30? |
IJS |
| 00:10:22.5 |
The idea of putting everything in place first. [rustling of sheet] And the idea that, like, 20s I won’t have everything I think. [rustling of sheet] The idea of having… so many pieces that still need to be put in place. |
122 |
| 00:10:43.8 |
Uh-huh. [rustling of sheet] And this isn’t a brick wall that you run into. This is a building? |
IJS |
| 00:10:59.2 |
Yeah. |
122 |
| 00:10:59.6 |
Okay. So if that’s your wider life ahead, um, looking quite close, certainly working before your 30s… |
IJS |
| 00:11:13.4 |
Mm. |
122 |
| 00:11:13.7 |
…you are going to face this professional life. |
IJS |
| 00:11:16.4 |
Yeah. |
122 |
| 00:11:17.3 |
I want you to focus on that for a minute. So if I said professional life, um, where in relation to wider life and education does it belong and what’s the start and end of this professional life? Is it bigger than these? Smaller than these? Uh, does it get bigger or smaller or constant? And when you think of your professional life, what does that look like on here? |
IJS |
| 00:11:46.5 |
Um. In terms of post-degree, I quite like the idea of doing a masters degree maybe at some point. |
122 |
| 00:11:55.6 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:11:56.3 |
Not straight away ’cause I wouldn’t be able to…to afford that or just support myself to… ‘Cause I think I want to do masters abroad. In Germany. |
122 |
| 00:12:08.7 |
Okay. |
IJS |
| 00:12:09.0 |
Because it has very good masters programmes out there and they’re a damned sight more…cheap… |
122 |
| 00:12:15.9 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:12:16.8 |
… [laughing] than the ones here. |
122 |
| 00:12:16.9 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:12:17.6 |
And after travel – doing a semester in ERASMUS… |
122 |
| 00:12:23.0 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:12:23.7 |
…seeing, sort of learning in a different environment, country… |
122 |
| 00:12:27.0 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:12:27.1 |
…is very enticing. |
122 |
| 00:12:28.6 |
Okay. So how does that go as a sort of… is it another one of those… Is it just you need to first get the money to do it… |
IJS |
| 00:12:40.5 |
Mm. |
122 |
| 00:12:40.9 |
Would you go immediately if you had that? |
IJS |
| 00:12:42.6 |
I think so, yeah. |
122 |
| 00:12:44.1 |
Right. So it’s…it belongs on here but perhaps not quite straight after…after that. |
IJS |
| 00:12:52.8 |
Mm |
122 |
| 00:12:53.1 |
So where…where does this masters abroad go [unclear]? |
IJS |
| 00:13:00.4 |
Maybe a couple of years after… |
122 |
| 00:13:04.6 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:13:05.7 |
…graduating. |
122 |
| 00:13:07.9 |
Okay. [unclear] [rustling of sheet] |
IJS |
| 00:13:11.5 |
That’s the past. That’s more like my future. |
122 |
| 00:13:15.8 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:13:16.6 |
But, perhaps for the future. |
122 |
| 00:13:18.2 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:13:20.3 |
But maybe I need to, like, move around. |
122 |
| 00:13:22.5 |
Yeah. Okay. |
IJS |
| 00:13:23.7 |
That’s my base. That’s sort of now. |
122 |
| 00:13:26.1 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:13:27.1 |
That’s the future, and this is the future. |
122 |
| 00:13:28.8 |
Okay. |
IJS |
| 00:13:29.4 |
Um. |
122 |
| 00:13:36.9 |
There’s something coming between that masters and this, isn’t there? |
IJS |
| 00:13:41.4 |
Mm. [rustling of sheet] [unclear] That’s graduation. And then work… Immediately after graduating it’ll be go home to my parents in Cardiff… |
122 |
| 00:14:09.3 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:14:10.0 |
…for a while… |
122 |
| 00:14:10.6 |
That’s interesting. |
IJS |
| 00:14:12.0 |
…and then…just work, closer to home, and build up money. |
122 |
| 00:14:23.1 |
Okay. So what does that profession look like? That you’re building? |
IJS |
| 00:14:28.8 |
Um. Well before uni I had a job in the summer as a TV extra. |
122 |
| 00:14:35.9 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:14:36.3 |
And since that industry is building up so much way back home… |
122 |
| 00:14:40.8 |
Mm. |
IJS |
| 00:14:41.3 |
…there’ll probably be something like that and then balancing that with doing short-term placements somewhere else. |
122 |
| 00:14:49.0 |
Yeah? |
IJS |
| 00:14:49.7 |
In order to get sort of the experience I need for graphics. |
122 |
| 00:14:52.4 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:14:54.0 |
Get that natural side of things sorted. |
122 |
| 00:14:56.0 |
Mm. So that’s TV extra and… |
IJS |
| 00:15:01.1 |
Yeah. [rustling of sheet] [unclear] [rustling of sheet] And then once I’ve done that, I’ll do… [rustling of sheet]. |
122 |
| 00:15:45.0 |
Uh-huh. What’s that? |
IJS |
| 00:15:49.3 |
A little developed [unclear] thing. |
122 |
| 00:15:52.6 |
What was particularly important about that is you’re doing it abroad, isn’t it? |
IJS |
| 00:15:57.6 |
Yeah. |
122 |
| 00:15:57.9 |
Particularly Germany, you said. |
IJS |
| 00:15:59.6 |
Yeah. |
122 |
| 00:16:00.4 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:16:01.2 |
Uh. Germany is… [rustling of sheet] That’s where it’s at. |
122 |
| 00:16:16.4 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:16:17.3 |
Career in Germany… [rustling of sheet] |
122 |
| 00:16:25.8 |
Uh-huh. Okay. Um, and so that work… So what was the work leading up to that…was…as a TV extra and…? |
IJS |
| 00:16:39.0 |
Yeah. Money. |
122 |
| 00:16:39.7 |
Um. |
IJS |
| 00:16:39.8 |
And placements. |
122 |
| 00:16:42.5 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:16:43.0 |
So you’re getting a balance of money and experience. Towards going to Germany. |
122 |
| 00:16:46.1 |
Yeah. Okay. Great. So you get the MA to then…do what? |
IJS |
| 00:16:58.5 |
Um. Well one day I’d like to set up my own studio. But rather than sort of a multi-discipline studio, ours will offer sort of somewhere for design students to stay… |
122 |
| 00:17:19.9 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:17:20.8 |
…and work. Because… So you can… I think everyone agrees how difficult doing placements in London is… |
122 |
| 00:17:28.0 |
Mm. |
IJS |
| 00:17:28.3 |
…in terms of finding the money to support yourself while you’re there, and sort of finding accommodation, especially when studios often say, ‘We’d like to give you a placement. Can you come down next week?’ Last minute accommodation in London is expensive and hard to find. |
122 |
| 00:17:43.9 |
Mm. |
IJS |
| 00:17:44.5 |
So I know one of the past students here who’s now got his own studio. |
122 |
| 00:17:50.7 |
Mm. |
IJS |
| 00:17:51.5 |
He’s spoken about wanting to set up something a bit like Bauhaus studio, very sort of run almost by students. |
122 |
| 00:17:58.6 |
Mm. |
IJS |
| 00:17:58.9 |
And I thought something like that was more of a sort of…cooperative. |
122 |
| 00:18:05.7 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:18:05.9 |
And sort of very…social and sort of helpful for… |
122 |
| 00:18:14.7 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:18:15.2 |
…not just students but anyone involved. |
122 |
| 00:18:17.4 |
So where does that go? You’ve got that travel there. |
IJS |
| 00:18:22.5 |
Mm. |
122 |
| 00:18:23.6 |
You’ve got 30s here. So 20s before this. |
IJS |
| 00:18:29.8 |
Mm. |
122 |
| 00:18:30.4 |
Where does this, that sort of…social endeavour, in a way, educational as well, isn’t it? |
IJS |
| 00:18:42.3 |
Mm. |
122 |
| 00:18:42.8 |
Where does that go on here and how would you represent it? |
IJS |
| 00:18:49.2 |
I haven’t quite thought about where along the timeline or plan… |
122 |
| 00:18:55.2 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:18:56.3 |
…that would come because it’s something I see as more distant, rather than closer. |
122 |
| 00:19:01.8 |
Okay. So more… |
IJS |
| 00:19:03.3 |
More that way. |
122 |
| 00:19:05.5 |
Yeah. Okay. [rustling of sheet] |
IJS |
| 00:19:28.5 |
I have a vision of it being an open space building. |
122 |
| 00:19:34.9 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:19:36.0 |
Sort of open plan. Two-storey with rooms to rent, equipment, letterpress sort of… Print room. |
122 |
| 00:19:50.7 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:19:52.2 |
So I’m doing it a bit like a [unclear]. |
122 |
| 00:19:55.5 |
So a bit like Bauhaus. [rustling of sheet] Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:20:08.5 |
And it would just be a sort of hub then. |
122 |
| 00:20:13.0 |
Okay, do you want to mark that on there? A hub for what? |
IJS |
| 00:20:20.2 |
Just a sort of studio come hub thing. |
122 |
| 00:20:24.0 |
Mm. Yeah. There’s something important about that. Are you the…um, a, cooperative or… |
IJS |
| 00:20:39.8 |
Yeah. |
122 |
| 00:20:39.9 |
…a similar model, but there’s something important about you not having a boss there. |
IJS |
| 00:20:48.2 |
Yeah. I…I think…I’ve thought about this. Would I want to be sort of labelled as the CEO or anything like that? I think I’d become like the founder and that’s it. Obviously, like in most companies there’s the CEO, creative director, founder, senior designers, junior designers, interns. |
122 |
| 00:21:12.3 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:21:13.1 |
And I guess you kind of…you do need a structure like that just so people know what part they have to play. But I don’t like the idea of it being, ‘You’re this, you’re this, you’re this.’ So it’s sort of very… A bit more equal, I think. |
122 |
| 00:21:28.4 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:21:28.9 |
A bit less corporate. |
122 |
| 00:21:29.8 |
Yeah. A bit less corporate. Unless you…whether or not you want to be the boss, you don’t want a boss? |
IJS |
| 00:21:40.0 |
Yeah. I think that’s a… I think that between the MA and setting my studio up, I’ll end up working at, at studios that I admire or work with people I think will be worth working for. |
122 |
| 00:21:57.7 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:21:58.1 |
‘Cause there is a guest speaker the other week and he’s a brilliant speaker and we all – me and a couple of friends – we want to work for him… |
122 |
| 00:22:06.5 |
Mm. |
IJS |
| 00:22:06.9 |
…but not his company, ’cause his company specialises in a way that we’re not interested in. |
122 |
| 00:22:11.4 |
Mm. |
IJS |
| 00:22:11.7 |
So like, if we could find a way to work with him, for him but not at that company, that’d be something I’d be interested in. |
122 |
| 00:22:19.6 |
Okay. |
IJS |
| 00:22:20.2 |
So it’s more working with people rather than places. |
122 |
| 00:22:22.2 |
Okay. So between there and there, it’s working with selected people, isn’t it? |
IJS |
| 00:22:28.4 |
Yeah. |
122 |
| 00:22:28.9 |
Um, so how would you do that? |
IJS |
| 00:22:30.9 |
Write a checklist… I was about to say a ‘hit-list’ but that sounds a bit…’ |
122 |
| 00:22:37.3 |
[laughing] |
IJS |
| 00:22:39.9 |
Ticking off the name as I go and… |
122 |
| 00:22:47.4 |
Mm. |
IJS |
| 00:22:48.0 |
…finding people, projects I want to work on. |
122 |
| 00:22:50.8 |
Uh-huh. Yeah. [pause] Okay. So we’ve got three kind of domains at the moment, which are your graphic design education, your wider life and aspirations, profession. |
IJS |
| 00:23:11.3 |
Uh-huh. |
122 |
| 00:23:12.1 |
But in graphic design, I think particularly, we hear an awful lot of ‘the industry’. |
IJS |
| 00:23:19.4 |
Mm. |
122 |
| 00:23:20.3 |
And industry, that comes in. And then it goes away again. Um. And it…it…it is somewhere in this picture, this industry. And I’d like you to think about where does ‘the industry’ belong here? In terms of your profession, is it entirely within this industry or is outside this industry? What are the boundaries or edges of this industry like and what’s the name of the industry? |
IJS |
| 00:23:58.4 |
Mm. I think I want…wouldn’t want to work solely in this industry. |
122 |
| 00:24:06.8 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:24:07.1 |
Just because I…because of my interests and what captures my attention can be quite broad and random sometimes. |
122 |
| 00:24:15.2 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:24:15.7 |
To have that central channel where things just things sort of ping off. |
122 |
| 00:24:19.9 |
Right. |
IJS |
| 00:24:20.2 |
In all directions, sort of get my attention, get me into… Interested. |
122 |
| 00:24:27.3 |
So the industry certainly doesn’t belong around your profession. So where would it belong here? |
IJS |
| 00:24:36.8 |
I think it just might run through it. |
122 |
| 00:24:38.0 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:24:38.4 |
Branch off into… |
122 |
| 00:24:43.2 |
Okay. |
IJS |
| 00:24:43.8 |
…affect my professional plans. But it’s not what drives it. |
122 |
| 00:24:47.3 |
Mm. So what’s the name of this industry? |
IJS |
| 00:24:51.1 |
Um. I don’t know. Sort of corporate design. |
122 |
| 00:24:59.4 |
Corporate design… |
IJS |
| 00:25:01.5 |
Yeah. |
122 |
| 00:25:01.9 |
…industry. Okay, we’ve got the name. We’ve got sort of, um, a field of where it might go on here. What about the edges and boundaries of it? Are they very permeable? Is it fixed? |
IJS |
| 00:25:17.7 |
Um. I think in terms of what disciplines corporate design goes into, it’s quite broad and not very sort of defining… switch and flick between… |
122 |
| 00:25:28.5 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:25:29.5 |
loads of different ones at the same time. But specifically corporate design. What work it does can be limited, so I think defined. It would be as sort of socially aware as sort of humanitarian things. It won’t be as sort of central…not central, that’s… You know, innovative or important as scientific or medical things. |
122 |
| 00:26:05.9 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:26:06.6 |
But it’s just sort of there along the way sometimes. |
122 |
| 00:26:09.6 |
Okay. So where does it go in here? |
IJS |
| 00:26:15.6 |
[unclear] I guess, and sort of leaks off in different ways [rustling of sheet] |
122 |
| 00:26:46.2 |
Yep. Okay. What are the tributaries of this river? |
IJS |
| 00:26:51.1 |
Um. Sort of the idea that it touches on my plans or what I hope to achieve but it’s not the boundaries. |
122 |
| 00:26:59.6 |
Okay. And it’s usual for tributaries to be flowing into… |
IJS |
| 00:27:05.6 |
Yeah. |
122 |
| 00:27:06.0 |
…the main river, so is that you putting into this? |
IJS |
| 00:27:10.2 |
Yeah. |
122 |
| 00:27:10.8 |
Okay. And is this river, um, a gentle, meandering river? Uh, or, um, is it a deep, dark force? What kind of river is this corporate design river? |
IJS |
| 00:27:31.4 |
Corporate design is probably quite a fast-flowing one. |
122 |
| 00:27:34.0 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:27:34.9 |
It’s very sort of quick and [clicking fingers] constantly flowing, constantly moving. |
122 |
| 00:27:41.4 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:27:41.8 |
It doesn’t seem quite like a leisurely thing. |
122 |
| 00:27:45.1 |
Right. And how would you indicate that on there? |
IJS |
| 00:27:48.3 |
Mm. [unclear] |
122 |
| 00:27:54.7 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:27:57.2 |
And then… [rustling of sheet] |
122 |
| 00:28:06.4 |
And is it, um, relevant that you would be a tributary in there if you were slower-flowing… |
IJS |
| 00:28:14.1 |
Maybe. More thoughtful and carefully planned out things… |
122 |
| 00:28:24.6 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:28:24.8 |
…rather than whatever comes our way, that makes money, that makes profit. |
122 |
| 00:28:29.3 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:28:29.9 |
Something a bit more meaningful, maybe. |
122 |
| 00:28:31.4 |
Yeah? Okay. So, we have the name of this industry as well. So education, wider life, profession, industry. I want us to think about the transitions between them. |
IJS |
| 00:28:46.4 |
Uh-huh. |
122 |
| 00:28:47.1 |
Um. And first of all, look at your transition into graphics. This bit of graphic club part. What did that feel like for you? So this threshold into… What was it like, this threshold? And how would you represent it on there? |
IJS |
| 00:29:08.8 |
Um. Well, really when I first started, ’cause I hadn’t really done anything like that before, I’d done more traditional art and technologies, design stuff in school. The idea of doing graphics was really new. |
122 |
| 00:29:28.8 |
Mm. |
IJS |
| 00:29:30.2 |
And kind of a little bit of a… I’m not sure if it was quite a light bulb moment back then. I think…the light bulb came with Miss Edwards. |
122 |
| 00:29:40.5 |
Right. |
IJS |
| 00:29:41.1 |
[rustling of sheet] But this was a new… |
122 |
| 00:29:52.4 |
Something new and sparkly… |
IJS |
| 00:29:54.5 |
Yeah. |
122 |
| 00:29:55.3 |
…at that time. |
IJS |
| 00:29:56.2 |
And we didn’t… Thought we didn’t have sort of every snazzy equipment, we had, um, sort of graphics programs on the PCs… |
122 |
| 00:30:07.1 |
Mm. |
IJS |
| 00:30:07.6 |
…in one of the technology rooms. |
122 |
| 00:30:09.5 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:30:10.1 |
But the projects she would set us and the ideas we would sort of work on was new. |
122 |
| 00:30:17.6 |
Mm. |
IJS |
| 00:30:18.6 |
All the work we done in, like, product design or textiles were just products that they kept doing. |
122 |
| 00:30:28.0 |
Mm. |
IJS |
| 00:30:28.6 |
It was all a repeat. But graphics was just new. You did it once and they did things a bit more, I think, rather than trying to do something that someone else hasn’t done, or in terms of have an idea that we had to do. |
122 |
| 00:30:40.8 |
Right. Uh-huh. So that was the feeling when you got into it. There is coming for you, uh, a transition out of it. Um. And here you’ve got a…already built-in transition here in your life. So I’m wondering, where do you think for you is the boundary of this graphic education on here? Is it at the end of that MA there? |
IJS |
| 00:31:13.7 |
Um. Well no, I think in terms of just graphic education, MA is probably my last step to make… |
122 |
| 00:31:21.2 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:31:21.8 |
…in terms of my structured… |
122 |
| 00:31:23.1 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:31:23.9 |
…sort of educational institute or programme. And then obviously you constantly learn on the job and not in the same way you would in a university or a programme. |
122 |
| 00:31:33.7 |
Mm. |
IJS |
| 00:31:34.2 |
So it would be formal education would…is probably an MA. |
122 |
| 00:31:38.4 |
Mm. |
IJS |
| 00:31:39.1 |
But then industry teaches you a whole range of things. |
122 |
| 00:31:44.0 |
Yeah. So that threshold then from MA to the profession after that, um, what do you…envisage that being like? Is that a shiny new…the lightbulb moment? What will that, um, threshold be like? |
IJS |
| 00:32:07.3 |
This one is probably going to be…rocky. |
122 |
| 00:32:11.5 |
Okay. |
IJS |
| 00:32:13.0 |
‘Cause it’s always difficult trying to establish yourself in a new environment, a new job. |
122 |
| 00:32:18.8 |
Yeah. |
IJS |
| 00:32:19.6 |
So… [rustling of sheet] These are meant to be rocks. |
122 |
| 00:32:26.2 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:32:26.8 |
That one’s too big. A bit of a barrier. |
122 |
| 00:32:33.1 |
Yeah. So it’s not just rocks in the road. It’s rocks piled up in the road. Okay. Uh. So given that, you’ve got four domains, the thresholds across them, you’ve got a year ahead. |
IJS |
| 00:32:56.4 |
Mm. |
122 |
| 00:32:58.1 |
What’s the very best use of that final year for you, um, bearing in mind your visualisations? What’s the very best use of your final year? |
IJS |
| 00:33:14.6 |
Getting work that I’m proud of and want to show to the placement studios in order for them to give me the opportunity, not only to get experience, but yeah, next year is all about getting what I need in order to get to this step of my first out-of-university placements. |
122 |
| 00:33:40.6 |
Which is about getting the money to do an MA? |
IJS |
| 00:33:44.7 |
Yeah. |
122 |
| 00:33:46.8 |
Okay. And what’s that in practical terms? Um. Are you generating a lot of work? It is generating work you like? Or is it generating work that they like? Or…what does it mean in practical terms? |
IJS |
| 00:34:02.0 |
Uh. Generating work that I like and I’m proud of because that comes across in the way you present that to people. If they can see how enthusiastic and how happy you are with your work, it probably…you’re someone they want to work with and obviously the department, the university is still going to give you ideas and creative thinking projects. And that’s what you want out of it. To show yourself as a person, as someone to work with as well. |
122 |
| 00:34:36.6 |
Uh-huh. |
IJS |
| 00:34:37.2 |
That’s what I need to do for the next year. Especially since after studying abroad, my final year is the only year towards my final outcome. |
122 |
| 00:34:51.2 |
Uh-huh. Good. Good luck with it. |
IJS |
