01:08.1 When I came into graphic design education, I always think of [this institution] and whenever I think of [this institute] I think of the outside of it. And kind of blocks and… [this] modernist kind of building. I think that also makes me think of my education… that’s why I’ve done them shapes there. Rectangles… I think there’s divisions between the sort of conceptual ideas around graphic design and also the business side of it and that creates almost conflict and divisions between the two, where you’re questioning yourself… To get a job in another year. And here I am… doing this arty-farty thing which is not going to mean nothing to a future employer. So I think there’s divisions in that way… It’s almost like a balance, isn’t it? That’s really hard to achieve. And it’s… always sort of shifting like that. So you’re always sort of… questioning yourself. 04:10.8 Conflicts between conceptual and employability… that is the challenge… It would help then to try and balance these two. One kind of shifts too much this way and then this one shifts too much the other way… And I don’t completely know what’s right and what’s wrong.

05:25.8 There’s highlights in terms of broadening your mind intellectually. Like I always thought once I’d come to the end of my… school education, that was it, you don’t really learn anymore but actually I’ve learnt more intellectually through being through art school because you take the time to learn your own interests. You know, you might come across a philosopher or a certain artist and actually that really helps you to grow as a person. That’s something I never really… thought would happen… higher and then higher… and you’re learning more and you sort of surprise yourself that you’ve sort of grown… That you think… if I didn’t take this path… and I did hairdressing or something… my mind wouldn’t be the same. So I think that’s a highlight for me… learning, broadening your view of your mind. 28:23.8 So broadening your mind individually… because it’s not necessarily: ‘Oh, I’ve broadened my mind because my tutor told me this.’… Becoming curious, developing myself.