14:33.8 What I’m picturing of the industry is being… in this massive design company, and you’re just one designer amongst, I don’t know, loads of others, but in a way that no one knows your name, no one know anyone else, no one knows what projects you’re doing. You’re just given this brief… and expected to… accept… That’s just dull to me… Which isn’t what graphics is at all… I just don’t know where I come in. I guess I haven’t been shown, really, or seen, the right type of… industry.

16:52.8 That’s all I see… I don’t know where else, I can’t see it yet… But I want to expand on it to see, like, all those other sectors out there… It’s just finding it… It’s a frustration, ‘cause I so don’t want to be in that. 19:06.5 I think there is like, this tiny little gap where some can get out and then experience [an alternative].