26:16.4 You can’t really turn off communication. That’s the thing. Like, if you look at something, like you’re always communicating with it in some way. And that tends to, like, slow boil into something else or an idea…

It’s like it’s no longer a subliminal world. It’s just glaring at you. It’s definitely got an eye. Everything you look at is designed… On the one hand it’s about communicating with people. But then it’s, like, also the inescapable, almost like litter… the instant, disposable… commercial art.