19:01.2 I always want to keep working my hands, keep trying to draw something… Developing a style, being recognised for my work. “It’s so good!”… I think it’s 100% the most important thing. I think it’s important to feel appreciated… Especially being a graphic designer. Because more often than not you’re working for other people. So it’s important that people enjoy using…artwork that you made… even if you go completely subversive and throw the client out the window, you should still make it nice to look at and enjoy… Fine artists don’t…really have to pull their… subjectivity back at all. Whereas… we have to reconceptualise the things that we’re interested in… don’t make them subjective. And help people understand it.

29:35.7 I always said… if I had to, I would sleep on a day mattress in an alleyway… as long as I could keep drawing pretty pictures… so it’s… the constant divide between surviving, making one happy, buying a Ferrari… or, you know, living in the other bit so you can make good work… It’s interesting because I’m stuck in an alleyway… making good work and it’ll be good work to me… but nobody else is going to see it. So it’s like a struggle between… getting recognition by other people for the good things that you do and not letting the good, timeless things go to waste. 35:02.3 You need the two. But you have to find the right balance. The sun is like… a reward… even if there are clouds… It’s not a physical sun: it’s like a positive mental attitude… From… making the good work… you get… mental clarity… basking in the warmth of that clarity.