12:28.2 You’ve been in education since you were like four or five years’ old and… it’s never been like your job now. So it’s almost something I can’t almost imagine a little bit. I just…it’s…some scary thing. It’s like completely unknown. I can’t envisage it at all, so… you go through this education… and then I feel like you get to this point here… the end of the street or the end…end of a road… the end of something a little bit.  There’s something behind it that you just… don’t know what it is. So… a leap of faith a little bit. You get here and then it’s, you know, ‘What is this? I don’t know.’… This is a step into the unknown… you can’t see past this.

25:06.4 It represents the unknown but it also represents… opening a door. Have you ever seen the film… where he was filmed constantly, but he didn’t realise… he literally lived his life in this film set… And suddenly he realises that actually, you know, this isn’t real and… he gets to the end of this wall, which is sky and it’s all been an illusion, and then the last scene is him just sort of opening this door… It’s like this is education there, it’s all been the same throughout your whole life… and suddenly you get to the end and it’s like I said, that barrier there is like a door… ‘The Truman Show’… that’s the end of the film and you don’t know what happens… It’s not something I can go: ‘Oh, this could happen, that could happen’… So yeah, optimistic, I guess.