12:36.9 They’re paths. Stems… you asked what I do… potentially in the future. I think there’s too, too many variables… kind of like a butterfly flap… the very matter of things. So, you know, uh, something as simple as one project that I’m really happy with: just need to do more projects like that. 15:05.3 So maybe you’re not, you’re not relevant now, but maybe you will be relevant at some stage. If you don’t… gain something in your life, it’s still adding towards… society in general and social constructs and how the world’s created. So you’re still happy with that. If they, if they take something from your work after you’re dead… I think maybe you’d still… [big breath] we’re talking meta-physical, but… you would still get the impression that something happened. So, at some stage, somebody’s going to find something you’ve done… take something from it, good or bad… preferably good… no matter how trivial or how strong or important it was… But the paths – it could be anything.

17:02.0 Once upon a time… when I was a younger designer, I thought it’d be great, you know? Being a famous designer… I prefer design over illustration because there’s more to it… I feel there’s more substance to it… Illustration is too subjective. It’s too, too much of… an opinion thing. Whereas graphic design is… culturally significant… Whether you try and make a difference or whether you don’t make, it doesn’t matter. I don’t know where I’m going, to be honest with you… [but]… no matter what the contribution is, somebody’s going to find your contribution. Somebody’s going to consider it, somebody’s going to take something from it at some stage. It would be nice if it happened before you died. It would be nice if it was a positive contribution you’d made. But it is going to be a contribution. 19:18.7 These [paths represent] different professional routes… based on the micro-variables in your life that assume whatever direction… What does it look like… as one image… it’s just too open… it’s just a black hole.

21:19.3 This represents in life the idea that there’s too many variables. Somewhere in that black hole… your variables are in here. And [in] this life – know[ing] how to be content. It’s… you don’t need to keep on and keep on and keep on pushing and chopping and changing… Jumping into a different area because you think that it’s going to be better for you… That’s even social… relationships… where you live… how you live… You could keep on, and keep on, but you have to recognise when you’ve got enough.

38:34.0 [Transition to profession] is just [a] very heavy-level door. Almost like… Fort Knox or something. Trying to open doors. Trying to push your way through after you finish [education]… You have the potential, career potential… It’s just now we’re getting through… it’s maybe not breaking straight through doors. It maybe sometimes you… creep around the perimeter… There’s no string or wall attached to you. You can’t go back. You have to just go forward… you’re breaking through using different… they’re just very solid objects… but they’re social, they’re social objects.