24:51.1 I think in terms of what disciplines corporate design goes into, it’s quite broad and not very sort of defining… switch and flick between… loads of different ones at the same time. But specifically corporate design: what work it does can be limited… it won’t be as sort of central… you know, innovative or important as scientific or medical things.

But it’s just sort of there along the way… and sort of leaks off in different ways… Corporate design is probably quite a fast-flowing one… it’s very sort of quick and [clicking fingers] constantly flowing, constantly moving… it doesn’t seem quite like a leisurely thing.